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Old 06-11-2011, 10:00 PM
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Jupiter on Nov 5 on AZ mount

Hi all, finally managed to get some imaging action last night (Nov 5), from light polluted Melbourne.
The image below is from a short 4 min video on a unmodded SPC900, 2x Barlow (non-ED), Celestron 8SE on single arm AZ mount.
Setting was 15 FPS, 1/125 sec exp, about 65% gain and minor tweaking of brightness, contrast and gamma.
Processed with Registax 5 with 81 frames.
Somehow I just cant get the focus right. Driver error?
The unbarlowed version seemed better.
Comments and feedback appreciated.
Bo
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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Hi Bo
Nice shots there, But you say a 4min video, From what i have read on the forums Mike's article on how to image planets and other forums 4min is to long for Jupiter as you start to pick up rotation in your data, I think 2 min max is what you can do with Jupiter but in saying that i am no expert it is only what i have read, I hope this helps and look foward to seeing more shots from you.

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Old 07-11-2011, 09:37 AM
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Thanks Graeme,
I have several videos under 2 mins, barlowed, so I can give them a try. My main issue is the lack of focus. There are three possible answers:
1. The images were taken early in the evening, around 10ish, so I suspect there was a fair bit of atmospheric disturbances with Jupiter relatively low in the horizon.
2. I had a 10:1 Crayford focuser, but the wobbly AZ mount was just too shakey, even with dampeners/suppressor pads. Maybe I just need to work the focuser more?
3. The barlow is of average quality (Vixen branded, but Made in China), so that's probably magnifying my errors in focusing.
Will do as you suggested and give the sub 2 min videos a go.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:46 PM
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Hi all, I did as Graeme suggested and processed two more video clips.
Video 48 is from a 2:23 clip and video 53 is from a 1:05 clip.
Slightly overprocessed I think (I am still learning). But they do represent a better attempt over my longer (4 min plus) effort.
Next job: learn how to focus properly and keep the object in focus.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:54 PM
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If you have a 4 minute clip you can just trim 2 minutes off it, or split it in half and process both halves separately into two separate images and see which is better.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:48 AM
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Hi Bo,
Firstly 4 mins is OK, I have only recently dropped back from 4 min to 3 min as my new camera can rack up 10800 frames in that time and it takes forever to process.
That aside there are several suggestions I can make.
1. The images are a bit under exposed. Perhaps try upping the exposure a notch (1/60th??)(you may have to lower the gain as well which won't hurt), if your capture program has a live histogram display then use it to fill the histogram to about 80% full (on the horizontal or X Axis) or numbers in the low 200's as a guide. The brighter onscreen image will probably help you to focus as well. If your capture program doesn't have a histo display one such as wxAstroCapture does.
http://arnholm.org/astro/software/wxAstroCapture/
(Personally I don't use this for capture, just to set the exposure. Once set I would exit wxAstroCapture and reopen my normal capture program which retained all my exposure settings)
2. Try to stack several hundred frames, at 15fps if this works OK for you there should be 3000+ frames to choose from
3. Next is the hard bit. Images can lack sharpness for several reasons. Poor seeing has been the bane of most planetary imagers in Australia for months now, and shooting at a little over 30 degrees elevation as you must have been, possibly didn't help. So don't be too dissapointed if the images are not as sharp as you hoped. This type of imaging is very demanding of seeing, and even what looks good to the eye can be bad news for the camera. Usually poor seeing can be identified on the screen as wobbling and/or fuzzyness that usually comes and goes. The worse it is the harder it is to judge the best focus. Electric focusers are highly recomended but not essential, once you have used one you won't want to be without one. It is just so much easier to judge focus without the image jumping violently at each touch. Take a bit of time to focus and try to focus regularly through the session, even if you think you are good at focusing, you will improve a lot with practice. Collimation and good quality optics are also important, if you don't know how to collimate your Telescope then take the time to learn. Generally smaller telescopes seem to hold collimation better, so once done properly it should stay fixed as long as you don't have mirror flop problems. Poor quality optics can be difficult to isolate and are not confined to the cheaper brands, I use a fairly cheap chinese 2.5X Barlow, and am very happy with it. Star testing on a good night (whilst collimating) will give an idea of the quality of your outfit. I would be surprised if your scope quality was to blame in this case though, and think the likely culprit is seeing or focus or both
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:58 AM
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Well there better Bo but as i said im know expert, What rob has said is worth taking onboard some of his work is very nice.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:49 AM
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Thanks guys!
I will play with the capture settings as Rob suggested. I was lazy and just used the default Philips V Lounge program. I think I wx Webcam Control, but will give Astro Capture a go.
I have a 10:1 crayford focuser, but agree that focusing (and re-focusing throughout the imaging session) is very difficult. Jupiter was about 30-40 from the horizon, so lots of atmospheric disturbances.
I am not put off by my initial effort with the C8. If anything, I am pleased with the ease which it captured the images. I will re-check my collimation and see if I can improve it a bit more as well, but don't think I can do anything about mirror slop other than keeping an eye on the focus.
Will keep trying and keep posting.
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