Festoons on Saturn, who can see what I see?

[overlord (Charles)]

These don't really seem to show up on photographs but I am sure they are there. I have been observing planets for years. The following picture is of Saturn with the two bands in the middle. The details of the Northern/Southern Hemisphere are exaggerated in their shading. What are these things and why don't they show up in photos? !

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...1&d=1303262390

[astroron (Ron)]

This does seem like case of the Percival Lowell Syndrome of seeing things that are not there aka canals on Mars
the eye can play lots of tricks when looking at bright objects through the eyepiece /telescope combo
You say the seeeing was excelent then the planet goes behind a cloud
That you get such detail out of an 8" scope is in itself amazing,which by the way you do not mention any magnification (eyepieces ect)
I find your drawings dificult to fathom,but then again there will be some who will be able to decypher it better than me
Cheers

[overlord (Charles)]

Lol, well I guess so. What I tend to do is... if I see a feature, I mark it down. Many features are very fleeting due to atmospheric conditions... I make heaps and heaps of diagrams. If the feature crops up regularly, It goes on the planetary map, otherwise it gets discarded. That's why my pics have extra features which may or may not exist.

Oh well u know, some of the best planetary seeing is when there is high clouds anyway, cos of the frozen atmosphere. I always love if there is some cirrus cos that's a perfect polarizing filter, or whatever it is, lol.

However, I am confident that in the hemisphere pointing towards us, there are two visually apparent round white patches visible to the human eyeball, or at least my eyeball, and these are not being displayed on digital cameras/stacked images. Or maybe they are, lol.

[overlord (Charles)]

See this is the problem... there are clearly strait lines on Saturn visible in other wavelengths, but NASA has only provided their 'official Saturn Pictures' from Voyager, as well as more recent pics, which show that nothing is going on, in, I think, an effort to reduce our potential for cosmic consciousness. It's a conspiracy of complicity towards the nihilistic/materialistic scientific frame of mind which has attempted to hijack reality. In fact there is a lot more going on in other wavelengths. I can see my OWN EYES that there is more going on, on something as small and inadequate as an 8" f/5 dob.

Check it!
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...1&d=1303279475

The lines are radiating out of the Hexagon at the top of the Northern Hemisphere!

Sorry if people's images conflict but that's what i saw!!!!! :ey epop:

[Suzy]

Do you have the right planet????








Sorry, sorry, really! Just having a bit of fun Chucky.
Great to see such fabulous interest in observations and sketching.

[overlord (Charles)]

Originally Posted by Suzy

Do you have the right planet????








Sorry, sorry, really! Just having a bit of fun Chucky.
Great to see such fabulous interest in observations and sketching.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U are a nice girl. hhhehehe

Well, I have read that when switching to a larger telescope, lots of these features go away, but then again i'm not convinced that is caused by too much light flooding the image. This is complex stuff!

[michaellxv (Michael)]

Can't say I've ever seen anything like the features you describe. I see some of the banding that shows up in photos and occasional glimpses of the storm that has been raging.

[Paul Haese]

Sorry never seen anything like this at ultra high resolutions with my C14. When I am imaging I work at around 2000x magnification.

I think you are seeing the veins on your retina just like Lowell did or floaters or some other aberration.

I think Ron is right.

Besides an 8" scope really does not have this sort of resolution. It is hard to see detail on a good nights seeing even with large scopes over 14" in diameter. Brightness can be counteracted by filters, so that is a firfie.

[ausastronomer (John Bambury)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

I think you are seeing the veins on your retina just like Lowell did or floaters or some other aberration.

I think Ron is right.

I agree 100% with Paul and Ron.

Whilst I haven't done much observing in recent months I have spent many years observing Saturn in 10" to 25" scopes. I have observed Saturn at magnifications of 1000X to 1100X on a couple of nights of superb seeing and at 600X plus, on quite a few nights. I have seen Encke Division on a couple of occasions and Encke Minima repeatedly, but I have never seen any features like you are describing.

Cheers,
John B

[overlord (Charles)]

Cheers guys. I appreciate the info. I have had the pleasure of seeing Saturn with a 14" SCT way back and yes it was spectacular.

I seen all this with 100x. f/5 with 10mm Plossl eyepiece. I'll put a pic of my scope up in the equipment section.

But, I think I am seeing something. It could be floaters yeah cos I have a few buzzing around. But... I am also no spring chicken cos I made this map of Mars way back during the perihelic opposition and I did this just with my 8" and about 60 drawings, no filters, EEEEEEEEHARRRRRRRR. I'm really proud of it. I did it using the same technique of not ascribing wierd details to coincidence lol. If I reckon I see it, I always write it down even if it shouldn't be there, since I don't believe in coincidence. But yeah I have to acknowledge that the better instruments don't show it. Nor do any photograph I have seen. It's really awesome you were able to get it up to 1000x. I had no idea such magnifications were possible!


http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...1&d=1303367632

[astroron (Ron)]

Percival! sorry Chucky
Nice Sketch
Cheers