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Old 22-09-2010, 06:34 PM
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Telescope for Absolute Beginner

Wondering if you could help me with some suggestions. I have racked my brain searching the internet and it only seems to confuse me more.
I am wanting to buy a telescope for my 10 year old daughter – she has no experience in telescopes and nor do I.
I want something that will be easy for her to use – basically point and see (if there is such a thing). She wants to be able to see as much as possible obviously but the budget is restricted. I really would prefer not to spend any more then $300 as I don’t know if she will continue to have an interest.
Through my research I think we need to stick to something with a AZ mount – the EQ mounts sound way too technical.
I don’t know about reflector or refractor – I think with a child maybe the refractor purely because it’s easier to maintain.
I have also read that the Dobsonian’s are great but in all honesty she will want something that looks like what she perceives a telescope should look like.


I have just read an article on the IceinSpace forum it is suggested that the SkyWatcher SW708 would be a good beginner telescope and also another was the SkyWatcher 70mm X 900mm on an altazimuth mount but I don’t have a model no. for that one. A telescope supplier has steered me away from both of these and thrown me back to the 6" Dobsonian. (I know it's probably a fantastic telescope but it it just so big)

If you could offer some advice that would be great. Please steer me in the right direction. I just want a couple of suggestions of what one to buy and then I can make the decision.
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Old 22-09-2010, 07:54 PM
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Hi Tracey,

For trouble free use, no colimnation, a refractor would be the better option as it does not require any maintenance - its point and shoot but at the cost of light gathering (what you can see) as it would be a smaller aperture.

A dobsonian would require colimnation once in a while at the very least which is relatively easy in any case.

Having said that, in my opinion the dobsonian would have more of a "wow" factor for a ten year old and more than likely easier to look into the eyepiece at that age.

Andrews sell a FLEX-DOB BD 8" 200mmx1200mm dob for $499 which collapses and would be easier to handle and store.

In my opinion this would be the ideal one as it has enough light gathering to give the "wow" factor to grab and hold attention.

Please remember that she will not see the glossy pictures that are in magazines.

Might be an idea to take her to a local astronomy club night in your area to see if she likes it first. This might give you a better idea of what to get if she likes it.

Peter

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Old 22-09-2010, 10:20 PM
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The 70mm refractor wouldn't be too bad an option, especially if you're not sure if the interest will continue. What ever you do, don't get a 60mm one! The quality of those cheapies just wont cut the mustard.
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Old 22-09-2010, 11:32 PM
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Hi Tracey,

I agree with Peter about taking her to a local astro club event.
She will get to look through lots of different telescopes and you will be able to ask questions and get an idea of what you can see through different scopes.
My local astro club (in Melbourne) has a kids section which meets once a month on a Friday night, so hopefully there will be something similar close to you.
Oh, and they also may have scopes available for loan, as my local one has.


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Old 24-09-2010, 09:05 PM
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Hi Tracey

This is quite a confusing time for you isn't it?!
I was in your situation 10 months ago when all I wanted was a simple, basic telescope and I had no clue! I am a research freak- if there's words out there, I will read it, and that I did - millions of words flooded my head . I read every review possible. I dug up the internet like there was no tomorrow. Some people get "paralysis by analysis". Uh uh, not me. Finally, I succumbed (site un-seen, bought on-line, purely by recommendations), *gasp* a 6" dobsonian. My world changed. I did not expect this scope to perform the way it did, to show me what it did. I was hooked. I cannot give you any views on other scopes, just my experience thus far with dobs (yes, on my second one now; a 10".

There is very, very good reason why dobs are highly regarded as the best beginners scope. They are relatively cheap and give you the biggest apperture for the price. And there is no setting up! It does look big, but trust me, the tube is easy to carry (I should know, I am after all a 5ft 5" featherweight"). I ended up putting mine on wheels, but up until then, iI had no problems at all carrying the base out and plonking the tube into it. If she needs to move it around the yard during the course of the night, without having to dis-assemble the tube from the base, just help her to carry it with the tension handles (there's two, one on either end of the tube). When I eventually put wheels on the base, I used the handle to drag it around - too easy.

You say you have concerns that you're daughter may not be interested in this because it doesn't look like a typical telescope?
Tell her this....

It's a big scope, peoples jaws will drop because it looks that impressive!
If she's serious about viewing deep space objects, this scope will show it to her. Ask her, "what's more important - looks or performance. If she takes looks over performance, in my opinion, I would have to worry about her dedication. I think you should sort out the priorty list in that department before spending dollars. If she is that serious, she ought to go for the biggest aperture you can afford. The bigger the apperture, the more light gathering capabilities, equals more detail= serious deep sky viewing. The 6" inch dob is considered to be the entry level "serious" telescope. Yes, you will need to learn to collimate, but don't worry, very helpful people at the optical store will teach you. And to be honest, 6" dobs don't need to be collimated very often. In the 6 months I had it, it only ever needed to be done the once when I first got it. Just don't give it a big bump (even traveling in my boot a few times, collimation was fine). Generally, the bigger the mirror, the more often the collimation required.

Normally, I would be hesitant to recommend a dob for a child, however she is 10yrs now, and if she is that serious, with some help she can use it. But in the near future, this is a scope she will definitely grow into, not out of. Your money spent, will see her through for a long time. Just something to think about.
If storage is an issue, I have mine permanently set up as part of the furniture (pretty, next to a nice palm ). This scope will keep her busy for a very long time, and I bet you too!

Nearly forgot to mention- the base will require assembly first up.

Keep us informed on what you end up getting! We can help and support you further after you buy the scope.

All the best with your decision, Tracey.

Kind regards,
Suzy.
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Old 24-09-2010, 09:29 PM
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yes get the 6 inch dob!
but before you buy, try

go to an astronomy club near you and check out all the scopes..there will be some dobs and some refractors and some very expensive Schmitt Cassegrains and more exotic beasts ..you will probably think the refractors provide the best views but when you check out the price (gulp) for an apochromat-you might decide a small 6 inch dob is just fine
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you are in the central coast, lots of IIS people around you.
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Old 25-09-2010, 08:27 AM
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Don't listen to the Dob drivers and buy the little refractor!

A ten year old will not easily find their way around the skies and locate the dimmer objects a 6" Dob will display better than a 70mm refractor.

I had a small (40mm) refractor at 10 and easily could find and see Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Alpha Cent. This led me to continue my interest ( I am now 55)

You will find it so much easier to locate objects using a wide field refractor on an alt/az mount. Buy a shorter focus model (500mm - 700mm FL) rather than a 900mmFL. Just one good plossl eyepiece of around 15-25mm would be ideal.

These small refractors have never been cheaper, and offer great all round value, as they can be used also for daytime viewing.
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Old 25-09-2010, 07:55 PM
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Hi there.
I'm just a beginner too but i thought i'd add my two cents worth.

I have the celestron astromaster 130eq, now i don't pretend to know much about scopes at all, but from a beginners point of view it. I can see plenty of easy targets like the planets and some simple clusters by just point and shoot. Its easy to move, has the star pointer which helps a bunch. I got mine on special for around $350 a while back. Its not too big either so thats always a bonus.

I would also suggest getting her the free downloadable stellarium for her (if she has one) computer just google search it. This will show her what is around for her to try and find from your position and i have to say its helped me a heap. This will get her starting to know where some things in the sky are, and you can do this before she gets the scope to see how interested she is.

hope this helps, like i said im only a beginnner too.
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Old 26-09-2010, 12:28 AM
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A few things to think about as I tell these stories.

DO NOT visit an Astro club once.
Visit it a few times.
First hand experience with my kids on other interests (non-astro) showed that after the 1st visit they were excited, and enjoyed it.
2nd time it was all a bit so-so, and OK.
When asked if they wanted to return a 3rd time they weren't overly keen.
Except for one interest: Table Tennis. They loved it and kept wanting to go and stuck with it.
Then they got the equipment needed (some of those little bats aren't cheap).

So you will know how interested they really are if they want to return.

Things wear off if the interest isn't really there. Cost to me: A few dollars in petrol, not equipment.

Experience has also shown that kids that've dropped in at our Astro club are excited and want the biggest best scope NOW!
The 2nd visit they have a look through the scope but are more happy to sit and read the magazines.
About the 3rd or 4th time the parents ask if they want to come, the interest is waning with some.

BUT, the kids that do show interest and stick with it really enjoy using the clubs 8" Dob.
They find the 'Real' looking type of telescope dissapointing compared to the dob.
My youngest son was showing other kids aged around 8 - 14 how to use the 8" dob when he was only 11.

One of the local kids recieved a small refractor for christmas.
After about a week of him and the parents trying to get it to work, they turned up at my place asking how to use it.
I showed them.
Then they asked what I use.
I showed them my Dob, they found it heaps easier, and went and bought one.
Now they all enjoy it.

You don't have to do as I suggest.
Just think these stories through.

Note: I am not pro reflector, or pro refractor. I use both.
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