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Old 10-05-2010, 08:45 PM
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Ngc 6523 m8 Lagoon (pick one)

Target: NGC 6523 M8 Lagoon Nebula
Camera: QHY 8 OSC uv/ir nose piece
Exposure Capture: Maxim
Scope: GSO 8” RC
Mount: EQ6 Pro
Exposure Setting: Gain 3 offset 109
Exposures: 15 x 360s total 1hr 30m taken 09/05/10
Seeing: Good, no moon
Guiding: Orion Starshoot Autoguider using PHD
Focus: Maxim, and mask
Stacking: DSS 3darks, 20flats, 20 bias frames
Processing: PS CS3, Maxim DL

Starforming Nebula M8 (NGC 6523), an emission nebula, with open star cluster, type "e", in Sagittarius
Right Ascension 18 : 03.8 (h:m)
Declination -24 : 23 (deg:m)
Distance 5.2 (kly)
Visual Brightness 6.0 (mag)
Apparent Dimension 90x40 (arc min)
Discovered by Hodierna about 1654.
The Lagoon Nebula Messier 8 (M8, NGC 6523) is one of the finest and brightest star-forming regions in the sky. It is a giant cloud of interstellar matter which is currently undergoing vivid star formation, and has already formed a considerable cluster of young stars.
This object has been discovered by Giovanni Battista Hodierna before 1654, and classified it as "nebulosa," i.e. of intermediate brightness; it is his No. II.6. It was independently noted as a "nebula" by John Flamsteed about 1680, who catalogued it as his No. 2446. Due to reasons which are not completely clear, at least to the present author [hf], Kenneth Glyn Jones has supposed that Flamsteed may only have seen the cluster within this nebula, a view which we had formerly adopted here. However, Flamsteed's position is close to that later determined by Messier and near the centre of the nebula, while the young open cluster, which was later catalogued as NGC 6530, is situated (or at least centred) in the Eastern half of M8.
This object was again seen by Philippe Loys de Chéseaux in 1746, who could resolve some stars and consequently classified it as a cluster. One year later, in 1747, it was observed by Guillaume Le Gentil, who found the nebula together with the cluster. Nicholas Louis de Lacaille has catalogued it in his 1751-52 compilation as Lacaille III.14. When Charles Messier catalogued this object on May 23, 1764, he primarily described the cluster, and mentioned the nebula separately as surrounding the star 9 Sagittarii; his original position is closer to the modern position of the cluster than to that of the nebula. Nevertheless, until recently, most sources identified only the nebula with "Messier 8," a view we reject here: It is clear from Messier's description that he had found both the nebula and the cluster.
William Herschel assigned separate catalogue numbers to two objects within, or parts of, the Lagoon Nebula: H V.9 (GC 4363, NGC 6526) and H V.13 (GC 4368, NGC 6533) which are described as large and faint nebulae in the NGC. John Herschel eventually catalogued the open cluster NGC 6530 separately as h 3725 (GC 4366); he has M8 as h 3723 (GC 4361, NGC 6523).
According to Kenneth Glyn Jones, the Lagoon Nebula has an apparent extension of 90x40 minutes of arc, which is 3 x 1 1/3 the apparent diameter of the full moon, and corresponds to about 140x60 light years if our distance of 5,200 light years should be correct, which is a bit uncertain; newer sources have 4850 (Glyn Jones) to 6500, but David J. Eichler gives the value of 5,200 light years (Eichler 1996).
One of the remarkable features of the Lagoon Nebula is the presence of dark nebulae known as 'globules' (Burnham) which are collapsing protostellar clouds with diameters of about 10,000 AU (Astronomical Units). They can also be seen, along with other detail, in the DSSM image of M8. Some of the more conspicuous globules have been catalogued in E.E. Barnard's catalogue of dark nebulae: Barnard 88 (B 88), the comet-shaped globule extended North-to-South (up-down) in the left half and near top of our image, small B 89 in the region of cluster NGC 6530, and long, narrow black B 296 at the south edge of the nebula (lower edge of the image). According to David Eichler, the nebula has probably a depth comparable to its linear extension indicated above.
Within the brightest part of the Lagoon Nebula, a remarkable feature can be seen, which according to its shape is called the "Hourglass Nebula". This feature was discovered by John Herschel and occurs in a region where a vivid star formation process appears to take place currently; the bright emission is caused by heavy excitation of very hot, young stars, the illuminator of the hourglass is the hot star Herschel 36 (mag 9.5, spectral class O7). Closely by this feature is the apparently brightest of the stars associated with the Lagoon Nebula, 9 Sagittarii (mag 5.97, spectral class O5), which surely contributes a lot of the high energy radiation which excites the nebula to shine.
The young open cluster NGC 6530 associated with the Lagoon Nebula M8 was classified as of Trumpler type "II 2 m n" (see e.g. the Sky Catalog 2000), meaning that it is detached but only weakly concentrated toward its centre, its stars scatter in a moderate range of brightness, it is moderately rich (50--100 stars), and associated with nebulosity (certainly, with the Lagoon nebula). As the light of its member stars show little reddening by interstellar matter, this cluster is probably situated just in front of the Lagoon Nebula. Its brightest star is a 6.9 mag hot O5 star, and Eichler gives its age as 2 million years. Woldemar Götz mentions this cluster as containing one peculiar Of star, an extremely hot bright star of spectral type O with peculiar spectral lines of ionized Helium and Nitrogen.
The nebula's faint extension to the East (top in our image, but beyond) has an own IC number: IC 4678.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:10 PM
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I'd take either Trevor, but I really like the job on the first image. detail, colour and vibrance! Very eye catching! Nicely done!


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Old 10-05-2010, 10:24 PM
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Terrific work Trevor. Well done. #1's my pick.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:14 AM
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Thanks Darren and Marc would like to have got longer maybe 3hrs data would do it better
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:51 AM
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Nice detailed image Trevor. My pick, No1.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:42 PM
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No. 1 = nice colouring IMO

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Old 11-05-2010, 04:28 PM
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Yeah I like the first one a bit better also.

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Old 11-05-2010, 07:04 PM
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Thanks Doug, Lester and Greg

under magnification a vertical line appears in this image which is a result of the flats I used ie: t-shirt flats

time to invest in an EL panel I think

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Old 11-05-2010, 07:49 PM
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The first one for me has the best colour balance. You really need to push the time up to 10min to start capturing some really nice details though.
but LP will always hinder you.

The only thing that i notice from a technical aspect is the image looks soft im not sure if this is focus but if your using a bat mask that pretty hard to stuff up, or your using blurring to hide background noise. not sure
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:32 PM
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Brendan focus is soft as this was the third image of the night and I should have really refocused between images which I didn't the first stack I did was under 5 this stack average FWHM per light was over 5
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:02 PM
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Colours are better in the first version Trevor .

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Old 11-05-2010, 09:18 PM
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Trevor,

I like both images.

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Old 11-05-2010, 09:19 PM
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Colours are better in the first version Trevor .

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Thanks Mark

IMO M8 is often shown as being overly pink which personally isn't my taste

Thanks Frank it's hard to pick sometimes
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