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Old 25-05-2010, 12:17 AM
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Eyepiece ideas for newb

Hi guys,

I'm looking for advice on what eyepieces would best suit my 6" Dob.
My scope came with a skywatcher 10mm and 25mm plossl which I'm guessing aren't all that good. Views of the moon look good but I know Saturn has far more potential.

I'm looking at picking up a planetary eyepiece (or 2) and an eyepiece for viewing DSO's.

My budget is limited so I have been reading reviews etc on good priced reasonable quality eyepieces.

I've been considering University Optics orthoscopic lines for planetary viewing.

Looking for any advice really.

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Old 25-05-2010, 12:26 AM
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Hi Ben, have a read of my thread "Best 5mm EP under $200", in the Beginners Talk Section (fairly recent). It's very informative and lots of helpful advice regarding eye pieces for dob users. I too have a 6" dob.
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Old 25-05-2010, 12:56 PM
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I'm looking at picking up a planetary eyepiece (or 2) and an eyepiece for viewing DSO's.

I've been considering University Optics orthoscopic lines for planetary viewing.

UO eyepieces will be just as good on DSO's as they will on planets. The only thing you wont get is a wide apparent field of view (AFOV) that is needed for some large DSO's (very few). However most DSO's will fit into the field of say a 25mm eyepiece and your 6" telescope but a larger AFOV helps if you do not have tracking.

An alternative to the UO orthoscopics would be the Meade 4000 series Plossl eyepieces which are well priced or if you can afford it the Tele Vue Plossl eyepieces.
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Old 26-05-2010, 11:41 AM
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Thanks for the responses guys.

I've read that thread a few times now Suzy thanks - just sifting for a few more ideas. Particularly would like to know what focal lengths I should be aiming for in my 6" dob?

I wonder what people would go for between tmb planetary's and UO ortho's? And would Televue plossls have any advantage over both of those?
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Old 26-05-2010, 12:01 PM
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For what its worth I use TMBs and find them really good value for money.
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Old 26-05-2010, 01:13 PM
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I would go with one of the following options:

Option 1:

32mm Tele Vue Plossl for 1.3deg field at 38x with 4mm exit pupil.
20mm Tele Vue Plossl for 0.82deg field at 60x with 2.5mm exit pupil.
2.5x Powermate for effective 12.8mm and 8mm with above eyepieces without altering eye relief, giving 94x and 150x.

The 32mm would be great for low power scanning and the 20mm for mid power scanning to better spot the smaller objects. The 12.8mm would be great for galaxies and globulars and the 8mm would be great for planets.


Option 2:

32mm Tele Vue Plossl
11 or 15mm Tele Vue Plossl (or both)
8mm Tele Vue Plossl

Note option 2 is cheaper initially but the smaller eyepieces have shorter eye relief and if you need glasses for viewing I would not recommend this option otherwise it is an excellent alternative. You could add a 2.5x Powermate later to get an effective 6mm with the 15mm Plossl but with much better eye relief than a 6mm woulkd normally give. This will give you 200x and about the maximum you would use your telescope on most nights. If you go with option 1 then you can add the 15mm Plossl later to get 6mm with your Powermate. If you go the 2.5x Powermate ask for the latest one which is threaded for 1.25" filters (early models were not).

The Tele Vue eyepieces do give nice bright and sharp images.

P.S. All calulations to 15cm f8 (1200mm f.l.).

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Old 27-05-2010, 07:23 PM
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Hi Ben, the following is what I have found works really well on my 6" dob.
10mm, 15mm, 25mm, 30mm & 4mm (when seeing is good). The 10,15 & 30 are staggered in this range so when I barlow, I do not double up on focal lengths. I do not barlow my 30 - it's an ulta wide 80 deg ep that I only use (and is brilliant for) widefield scans. I find things in this lens, and then bring them in with higher mag. Most of my ep's now are widefield. I just find they work better with the dob, especially at high mag when you want to get a really good look at planets. I could never look at them long enough in my 10mm before I replaced with a 70 deg fov one. The smaller the fov, the more you have to work the dob- I could never get the planet long enough to give it a proper look. Now I have time to turn away, have a stretch, and even accidentally bump the dob, and oh hello.. it's still there .

For my 15mm, I have an Orion Expanse (66 deg fov) and I really love this ep, even compared to the Pentax, it performs really well. It's sharp and contrasty (just the edges suffer a bit, but I have a big field of view and for the price I don't really care), even barlowed I love it. It is in a totally different league compared to the standard ones that come with the scope (only $90). We our lucky with our focal length of 1200/F8, eyepieces for us are very forgiving and don't give us as much grief as faster scopes (most ep's will work well in our range).. well that's what i've been reading anyway each time I do research to buy an ep.

The U.O.'s have very small fov's about 45 deg, bare in mind you will be working the dob more than looking at the planet. Which is why I didn't go down that path. See if you can have a look through one so you can judge for yourself.

It is very easy to keep buying eyepieces until many dollars later you finally find what works for you. I made a point of not wasting money and did my research as thoroughly as I could. By getting good eyepieces and spending the dollars straight up, is a lot cheaper than buying a whole lot of useless eyepieces. I say, if you can afford it go Televue, Pentax or Vixen in your most used (which will most likely be the 10mm & 25mm). You won't be sorry. Nothing else beats these ep's as performers for very good reason. Even my barlow is a good quality one (ED) so it performs well with quality eps. The TMB's certainly do seem to get a good rap, but the fov was too small for me. Don't forget once you barlow that 10mm to bring it down to a 5mm, you will work that dob even harder (higher mag, less fov). I don't get anything under 60 fov anymore. For me, it just wasn't worth the work, unless you get really really good at nudging your dob.
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Old 27-05-2010, 07:46 PM
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Hey Suzy, thanks for your response - it was really helpful. I've been doing a lot of research on eyepieces too and aren't going to rush into anything. I've pretty much scrapped the idea of the uni orthos because of the fov issue. Was good to get your input on the orion expanse - I had been interested to know what they were like.

One question. How do you find the 30mm 80 degree for view quality? - and do you mind telling me the brand? - it will help with my research as I have been looking at some eyepieces of similar specs for future purchase.


By the way...brisbane is a great city...holidayed there last year...love that city cat!

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Old 27-05-2010, 08:04 PM
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My 30mm is an Andrews UWA (ulta wide angle). You can buy them from Andrews Communications from around $140. This isn't a great ep. It isn't sharp and contrasty and suffers on the edges. But I didn't buy it for quality, I knew that at the time. It serves a purpose, just pure scanning, and for that it's fabulous. It gives me 80 deg. fov. at 30mm.. some serious scanning. Note, that this is very low mag. When you point it at Saturn, it just looks like a pin point of light. But this is just purely for scanning as I said earlier. I did find the Tarrantula neb with it, when I first got it, so that's saying something. It's good, just not great. Generally, when you talk widefield, you talk $$$$. But worth it.

Glad you enjoyed Brisbane! I love it here. Except for the weather the last few months has been pitiful.

Here's a link for the review on it http://www.iceinspace.com.au/42-134-0-0-1-0.html
It is a 2" buy the way.
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Old 31-05-2010, 08:25 PM
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Thanks for the responses to the thread. After much research I think I have decided I will go for a baader hyperion zoom 8-24mm.
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