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Old 29-10-2009, 10:44 PM
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Can One Travel Without Actually Travelling

Can one travel from A to B without actually traversing the space in between to get there.

As we all know the universe is a vast place. Well in excess of 10 billion light years from end to end. Now according to Einstein one can’t exceed the speed of light. So if you’re like me and don’t fancy spending 10 billion years in stasis just to take your annual holidays on FAsuKtil-B49XZ//\\5.2 (which I hear is really a happening place, albeit a little out of the way) you’re gonna have to get there without actually travelling there (or your particles travelling there if your thinking about Star Trek). But is that possible and if so, how? Any thoughts?
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Old 29-10-2009, 10:54 PM
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Old 29-10-2009, 11:45 PM
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Can one travel from A to B without actually traversing the space in between to get there.

String Theory's successor M-Theory, should allow for it.

Unfortunately, the likelihood is so small that you, as well as everything else, won't be here.
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Old 29-10-2009, 11:49 PM
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Hey there Mark,

Hmmm "M-Theory". You might have to elaborate.
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Old 29-10-2009, 11:55 PM
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Can one travel from A to B without actually traversing the space in between to get there.

As we all know the universe is a vast place. Well in excess of 10 billion light years from end to end. Now according to Einstein one can’t exceed the speed of light. So if you’re like me and don’t fancy spending 10 billion years in stasis just to take your annual holidays on FAsuKtil-B49XZ//\\5.2 (which I hear is really a happening place, albeit a little out of the way) you’re gonna have to get there without actually travelling there (or your particles travelling there if your thinking about Star Trek). But is that possible and if so, how? Any thoughts?
I don't know how often I have repeated this next statement here, but Einstein never said you couldn't travel faster than light. What he said is this...any material object within the (this) universe cannot travel AT the speed of light. There are solutions to SR which require that you must be traveling faster than light and whilst some of the conditions for being able to do so are bizarre compared to what we normally experience (like imaginary mass), they are not impossible physically.

So, to the rest of the question...yes, you can. It's called a wormhole

Now for the size of the universe....10 billion light years is nothing. The universe is actually closer to 94 billion light years across. If you want to understand why it's this big, go here .
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:10 AM
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Hey there Mark,

Hmmm "M-Theory". You might have to elaborate.
Okay, M-Theory has higher dimensional space connectivity through things called Calabi-Yaus (named after the two mathematicians). These 6 dimensional structures are stationed at all points in the space and time continuum. Strings pass through these.

Gravitons may enter one and pop out at another on the other side of the universe. Matter and force cannot, they are anchored to the continuum essentially by their feet (ends). BUT, there may be a chance of harmonically altering matter strings so that these ends un-stick and thus the string may freely move through higher dimensional space to someplace else.

The problem is, is that all the strings within you body must simultaneously enter a local Calabi-Yau network, and reappear someplace else at another Calabi-Yau network so that all particles are preserved...as well as the forces.

The book I wrote specifically forbids this, as force particles must be preserved within spacetime, which essentially gives rise to conservation laws.

This also extends to time travel, it violates conservation laws in that overall charge within our universe must be conserved…not to mention the preservation of freedom of choice…so you can add and remove matter, but not force.

This also applies to wormholes too.

BUT, there are OTHER ways to skin a cat! You don’t necessarily have to physically go somewhere to go there, instantaneously, no commuting. I wrote about how our brains are actually wired-up to do just this. But we need to talk about relativity (Again, LOL) to understand this.

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Old 30-10-2009, 12:21 AM
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Just to give a visual queue for what Mark has written, here's a 3D representation of one of these Calabi-Yau spaces...
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:24 AM
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This soundslike it would be best answered by somebody in their late fifties/early sixties.
As I understand, some of these people left the real world on a trip withour leaving the room.

I heard it had somthing to do with an LSD trip- not sure what a car differential had to so with it but anything is possible

I think I'll go have another bourbon now.
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:27 AM
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Just to give a visual queue for what Mark has written, here's a 3D representation of one of these Calabi-Yau spaces...

Thanks Carl...forgot that vital piece.

There is a connection between freedom of choice in quantum measurement, the coordination of matter to form a stable reality, and conscious intent. SO, there's a connection between intent, as show in the clip below, and how matter is manipulated.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/128019/killer_move/

Sorry for the metaphysical diversion.
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:32 AM
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I think I'll go have another bourbon now.
That inhibits I'm afraid...but nice idea.
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:40 AM
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Thanks Carl...forgot that vital piece.

There is a connection between freedom of choice in quantum measurement, the coordination of matter to form a stable reality, and conscious intent. SO, there's a connection between intent, as show in the clip below, and how matter is manipulated.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/128019/killer_move/

Sorry for the metaphysical diversion.
Don't really follow the theories below but that was a cool clip
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Old 30-10-2009, 12:45 AM
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Now for the size of the universe....10 billion light years is nothing. The universe is actually closer to 94 billion light years across. If you want to understand why it's this big, go here .
Carl, you are a legend and you so ROCK!

That link is just awesome and I have been reading it all night! My mind is just a SPONGE when it comes to this stuff.

Thanks mate.

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Old 30-10-2009, 12:57 AM
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Carl, you are a legend and you so ROCK!

That link is just awesome and I have been reading it all night! My mind is just a SPONGE when it comes to this stuff.

Thanks mate.

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Thanks mate. Well, as for rocking, I am a geologist by training

When talking about distance scales within the universe, you have to be aware of the different ways distances is measured and that when astronomers talk about distance, what you may thin they're talking about and what the are talking about can be two different things. As you can see, there's a big difference between light travel time and actual physical distance. It's something that the public in general aren't aware of, but astronomers just go with the flow as trying to explain it to most people would only confuse them.
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Old 30-10-2009, 06:11 AM
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As a 50's 60's child, all I can say is whatever he is smokin' I want some too, LOL.. Jen's right, too late/early to be thinking about this stuff.
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Old 30-10-2009, 07:05 AM
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Can of peanuts, a towel and a pint of decent ale...
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Old 30-10-2009, 08:25 AM
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Can of peanuts, a towel and a pint of decent ale...
OK Chris now you threw me. I follow why you need the peanuts and ale. But why the towel?
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Old 30-10-2009, 08:35 AM
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OK Chris now you threw me. I follow why you need the peanuts and ale. But why the towel?
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has a few things to say on the subject of towels...

"A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value - you can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to- hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or to avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you - daft as a bush, but very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.

More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with."
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Old 30-10-2009, 08:36 AM
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Read Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy

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Old 30-10-2009, 08:47 AM
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Thanks Chris/Barry

I can see now that I asked a stupid question. Of course one would need a towel
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