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Old 11-06-2009, 09:59 AM
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22" F4.5 binocular

I just thought I would start a new thread for anyone that wants to discuss the technical aspects of the new 22" binocular.

I have some more photos which I can post.

In answer to one question the 22" mirrors are bonded to the 27 point cells with Silicone. There are no slings.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for answering that one
Another one regarding the upper assembly, is it angle iron or anodised aluminium ?
One final question , not specifically to this design but others I've seen - where the secondary is held in place by a 'wire' based spider, how is it arranged so that the secondary holder-assembly doesn't "bounce around", if you get my drift....there must be quite a bit of tension in the wires to stop that from happening which in turn would mean the secondary frame has to be pretty sturdy to stop it from warping...
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:21 AM
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One thing I've seen with metal angle frames is they are not strong in torsion. A stronger frame work connecting the two cages might help. Would serve to reduce twist incurred in changing altitude.

As Tnott mentioned, might the poles be a little thin? The sum wieght of the secondary cages plus the connecting frame and its 'spread' is not the same engineering as a single cage for such poles.

Could the tension in the spiders be a source of deformation in collimation? Changes in moment at the cages in the change of alt. position could cause variation in the tension. This might be a symptom of the poles, though.

Maybe a stouter centre brace around the middle of the OT would be a simpler solution to the deformation.

Just trying to tickle some ideas and thoughts.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:52 PM
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Yes I think the pressed metal octagon on the top end need to be stiffer.

The wire spider is hardly under any tension ..so I don't think that would be causing any deformation.

The poles are 5/8" from memory. I will post a few more shots when I have time.
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Old 14-06-2009, 07:18 PM
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The poles look thin, but if they are carbon fibre (or even aluminium) then the stiffness may be fine. Causes of problems are often different to what we might first think. When I first built the 16" tridob lots of people thought the poles were too thin (20mm Aluminium) but they were plenty rigid enough for the light UTA.

There were issues with the secondary going out of collimation, but it was due the wire spider exerting torsional force on the top ring. The design I used was a X-cross section though, rather than a V-shape like this one-so you wouldn't get the same "seesaw" effect on the top ring. Also, there was too much space between the apices of the poles and the attachment points of my spider. I had to stiffen the top ring but afterwards it was all OK.

In my subsequent scopes I made sure the spider attachment points corresponded to the apices of the poles for better structural stiffness and so learnt from my mistake.

This design is different and I am interested, if the secondary is going out of collimation, where the flexure is to help others in their future ATM choices.

I've admired Bruce's scopes before and drew inspiration from them. It is interesting to see how much big scopes can be cut down without suffering from poor performance.

PS - wire spiders don't need to be under a lot of tension.
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Old 17-06-2009, 10:18 AM
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Thanks for the info and explanations, quite helpful.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:43 AM
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I'd be happy to discuss the 22" binocular and answer any questions I can. (I just discovered IceInSpace...nice forum!)
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:53 AM
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to the forum Bruce.
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:00 AM
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I'd be happy to discuss the 22" binocular and answer any questions I can. (I just discovered IceInSpace...nice forum!)
Bruce I'm glad to see you made it here.
It was nice to meet you at Coona this year and keep on enjoying those Beez Neez mate!
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