Why Vista is Second Rate

renormalised (Carl) · #1 29-07-2009, 11:35 AM

Have a look at this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uE...eature=related

What's more, Linux has been able to do a lot of things for quite a while that Windoze is only now just starting to implement. In any case, if Vista tried to do what the person was doing with Ubuntu Linux, it'd have more than a BSOD...the CPU would cack it and die!!!!

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #2 29-07-2009, 12:29 PM

How generalised do you want to go to push a position?

Do we really need this? If you don't like Vista - and that certainly isn't all of us (especially those on a 64-bit platform) - then move on!

It really isn't important is it? I run all OS's in my line of work and I choose the best OS for any particular job at hand. Believe me - they all have foibles. Don't get me going on Ubuntu either - it too is a long, long way from perfect in many, many respects. It also hangs unexpectedly from time to time - more often than I'd care to rely on for business-critical computing. Horses for courses gentlepeople....

I like this quote I found out there in cyberspace:

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Some geekier-than-thou proponents use deep knowledge of Linux as a calling card for personal credibility and evidence they have transcended technology heights unavailable to the common man or woman. Then, there’s Ubuntu, where even the name has a special meaning intended to uplift the ordinary man. According to Wikipedia:

Its name comes from the Zulu word “ubuntu”, translated as humanity, describing the ubuntu philosophy: “I am who I am because of those around me,” a positive aspect of community.

Although this flavor of Linux represents an inspiring philosophy, it remains virtually opaque to all but the most committed fans. Disagree with that statement? Install Ubuntu and try manually configuring any hardware that doesn’t work right. Good luck, because you’re gonna need it.

As much as I personally like Linux - I tend to agree. Running as a faceless, headless X-free server environment - it's a ripper. As a desktop it's still very much a junior.

MacOSX? I wouldn't put any other OS on my artists workstion desks. The OS suits the applications they use and more importantly it panders to their left-brain-centric personalities far better than the other two.

netwolf · #3 29-07-2009, 12:40 PM

To each his own, while there are pros and cons to all things. The biggest factor here is what is used more in the majority of work enviroments. Even if there is a trend in some work places to allow both or go linux its still not large enough to displace MS. Because of there larger footprint, the have a dominance. Most kids are exposed to MS at school and use MS at home and then why would a Buisness get Linux if most of its work force operates MS?

Its just like A tapes, or Betamax, or Firewire even. While all these things are arguably good technologies the domiance of others has over shadowed them.

Kal (Andrew) · #4 29-07-2009, 12:57 PM

It's just a bunch of useless eyecandy in that ubuntu demo, nothing impressive for my computing needs.

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #5 29-07-2009, 01:18 PM

ho hum...how much do you really need Beryl and those fancy SFX? Really? If they're that important, how has computing and the desktop done without them for so long? It's nice, but it's eye candy.

Don't get me started on Linux, I've probably been using it far longer than you have (circa 97). I've been there and done that, I now run Vista x64 and have no issues. It's rock solid, performs, and performs well. It looks good too.

I'm not saying that Linux is bad, or that Vista is perfect. As others have said, to each their own, and they all have their own usages/niches. It's horses for courses.

Dave

Barrykgerdes · #6 29-07-2009, 02:03 PM

Hi
I watched that demo but failed to see any point in it. Comuputers can do all sorts of "eye" boggling things these days no matter what the operating system is. It's just a matter of programming. The Operating system is a matter of choice and what you feel comfortable with.

I use Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Ubuntu and DOS for different tasks. There are versions of the programs I use available for all the systems.

Because I never learnt the modern computer languages I do all my real computing tasks under DOS with Qbasic. It does not have much in the way of graphics but I can write filter programs, look at the code and solve engineering problems in Qbasic. These tasks are what computers are good at.

Games, Movies, Graphics etc. are essentially for entertainment (or time wasters). I suppose adding to threads in forums is also a good way to waste time.

However I would not be without my computer, games, movies and forums so I guess I am just a time waster like most other computer users.

Bax

picklesrules (Nicholas) · #7 29-07-2009, 02:28 PM

I agree i'm only 16 but i have used nearly every diffrent type of OS there is including many different distros of Linux, i agree with netwolf in that kids at school all use MS and many people in the workforce use MS or those doing design love to use Mac OS. Every OS has its own area of expertise. ATM im using Windows 7 64x Beta its really quite good.

netwolf · #8 29-07-2009, 02:57 PM

If you had two kids, Linus and Bill lets say and they developed two OS's would you encourage one and discourage the other? You would rather that the not only excel but also work together. Life is infinite variety in infinite diversity, but its all for nothing if not united by some purpose. All things have vices and virtures, its up to us to make best use of them.

Lot of people say Linux is free, and that is its greatest virtue. And sorry i do laugh. Nothing is free. Someone must expend effort in order to make it work, the effort is there regardless of the payback. And more effort is required to keep it running. The online forums for Linux help are just as full as MS. Nothing is free. If no effort were required then we would end up like the humans in the movie Walle.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #9 29-07-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by netwolf

If you had two kids, Linus and Bill lets say and they developed two OS's would you encourage one and discourage the other? You would rather that the not only excel but also work together.

LOL! While that's a nice sentiment Fahim - you know as well as anyone that it doesn't work that way in the business environment. It's a constant battle over value for money. The market sorts it all out pretty effectively. If Linux were good overall value it would be in a more prevalent position than it is - it's been available for a long time now.

renormalised (Carl) · #10 29-07-2009, 04:32 PM

I knew I'd get a raise out of someone

I use Vista (normal, plain vanilla 32bit) on my lappy, and have no problems with it at all

I also use MacOS and I like it a lot

. I agree Chris, for doing graphics work I wouldn't use anything else.

However, I've had far less problems with either MacOS or Linux than what I've had with flavours of Windows (not so much my own but fixing other people's)

I like the "eye candy"...it takes the monotony out of looking at a dull lifeless screen. Nothing worse than staring at Vi or Emacs all day without having some distractions

marki · #11 29-07-2009, 10:06 PM

I am no IT expert but know enough to keep all my gear running without outside help (thus far). I use ultimate 64bit on my PC because I choose to run a lot of ram and 32 bit vista on my laptop because it is more old program friendly (ie starry night Ver 5.0). Both platforms have proven to be stable and reliable for the past 18 months and I am not sure what all of the fuss is about, I certainly think it is better then XP in any flavour and all of my astrogear works... I used a flavour of linux (red hat???) years ago and the experience ended any future association with this product (try manually installing a network card for example, better off slamming your head in a door I reckon, bit like trying to add ram to an old NEC 286 using their bios disk

). I am a science person, the RHS of my brain is dominant so I guess thats why I don't like Macs . They are just all wrong. Most Applications Crash If Not The Operating System Has

Mark

renormalised (Carl) · #12 29-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Actually, guys, your logic/analytical side of your brain is the left hand side. The right hand side is associated with creativity and such

marki · #13 29-07-2009, 10:38 PM

Never placed much faith in psychologist psycho babble either

. Personally as a result of my exuberent youth I only have 2 brain cells left, one goes breath in, breath out and the other goes boom boom. As such I dont believe I have either a left or right side to my brain.

Mark

AlexN · #14 29-07-2009, 10:39 PM

at home I use..
XP Home on my EEEPC
Gentoo linux on my gateway/firewall
Win Server 2k3 on my file server
Vista 32bit on my laptop
Vista 64bit on my desktop

As Chris said, every OS has its ups and downs.. when they are used for their primary purpose, they are all fantastic... *nix OSes make servers FLY! there is no doubt about it. Vista is very capable provided your system has the power to run it... XP still has its place on older machines, or machines that do not require something different.. Its something of a work horse...

Carl is correct, the right hemisphere of the brain controls arts, creativity, and spatial/geometry sort of thinking. the left hemisphere is logic etc...

One of the many parts of psychology classes I remember.. A memory retention tool I created for the very purpose of remembering it... RALS.. Right-Arts, Left-Smarts.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #15 29-07-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexN

Carl is correct, the right hemisphere of the brain controls arts, creativity, and spatial/geometry sort of thinking. the left hemisphere is logic etc...

One of the many parts of psychology classes I remember.. A memory retention tool I created for the very purpose of remembering it... RALS.. Right-Arts, Left-Smarts.

So which side of my brain stuffed that up? LOL!

renormalised (Carl) · #16 30-07-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

So which side of my brain stuffed that up? LOL!

Whichever one absorbed the most alcohol

Or reality TV

AstroJunk (Jonathan) · #17 30-07-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by renormalised

I knew I'd get a raise out of someone

You're such a troll Carl

Us Windows users are always made to look small. It's a form of bullying I recon. If Mac OS wasn't tied to overly expensive hardware what would it be like? and I dumped Linux because it was slower than XP and had no driver suport.

I don't care because I use Windows 7 now and it beats the rest into a pulp.

Naaah...

Octane (Humayun) · #18 30-07-2009, 12:28 AM

All Linuxes are broken. Debian is the least broken.

And, Chris, I agree with that quote you posted about Ubuntu.

A lot of people have this arrogant view that if they install Linux and use it for their day-to-day tasks then they're a guru. Wrong. It's just an alternate tool to what the majority uses. It also just happens to be free. Big deal. Most people who buy computers/notebooks get an OEM copy of Windows with their machine which is factored into the cost of the system. In a way, it is also free, as you wouldn't really give it a second thought. That, or they source it through alternate means such as peer-to-peer networks (BitTorrent).

I, too, have tried various flavours of Linux and *BSD (Red Hat 5.x, Debian, Ubuntu, and FreeBSD (4.x)) over time. I try and use OpenSolaris wherever I can, as it is somewhat aligned with what I do for a crust, but Windows XP has been great for me for Photoshop, IRIS and other graphics applications.

I look forward to joining the Mac bandwagon, soon. :~)

Regards,
Humayun

renormalised (Carl) · #19 30-07-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroJunk

You're such a troll Carl

Us Windows users are always made to look small. It's a form of bullying I recon. If Mac OS wasn't tied to overly expensive hardware what would it be like? and I dumped Linux because it was slower than XP and had no driver suport.

I don't care because I use Windows 7 now and it beats the rest into a pulp.

Naaah...

I was bored

I've never had problems with a slow Linux box...they've always been pretty quick. MacOS is good....but as you said, the hardware (especially the upper end Macs like G series computers) can be a bit pricey. Although mine wasn't too dear (it's an iMac).

How is Windows 7??. I've heard it's pretty stable and quick, even in beta.

telemarker (Keith) · #20 30-07-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by marki

Never placed much faith in psychologist psycho babble either

. Personally as a result of my exuberent youth I only have 2 brain cells left, one goes breath in, breath out and the other goes boom boom. As such I dont believe I have either a left or right side to my brain.

Mark

LOL. I've got 2 neurons left too, but one is inhibitory.