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Old 13-07-2009, 12:12 AM
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Blue Fire Swan

Painting by numbers? Crayon and butchers paper? Tie die time? Or is that a blue lava lamp?

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Old 13-07-2009, 12:50 AM
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when did you get that one? nice bit of purple in it, how did the stars remain "normal"? you have been a busy boy
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Old 13-07-2009, 01:17 AM
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You are just loving that narrowband gear aren't you mate?

Great work Mike.

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Old 13-07-2009, 02:28 AM
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Beautifull colors, nice work Mike. Everyone going narrow banding these days.

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Old 13-07-2009, 06:13 AM
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Holy hell I almost followed through......... Come on Mike back to something life like. That almost scared the pants off me and that's not a pretty site.
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Old 13-07-2009, 06:39 AM
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ive seen a few narrowband images of this object, usually the outer is well differentiated from the core, im not an expert on narrowband so i cant immediately say why this isnt so..... its just alll the same (almost) color blue and purple, maybee it needs more Ha, a different color selection???

ive given you plenty of praise for your images in the past.... will hold on to that for just now, it needs something done with the colors for me to like it.
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Old 13-07-2009, 06:40 AM
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Nice detail there Mike, but why didnt you use the Hubble pallete?.
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Old 13-07-2009, 09:53 AM
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Well its better than snotty green eh Mike? Electric blue kind of suits the scene. Its growing on me as its different. Still, I think this data wasn't the best if I recall. Hope you get some clear skies soon.

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Old 13-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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Nice looking with lots of detail. Is this a crop Mike?
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Old 13-07-2009, 06:53 PM
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Jase, Hubbles not that puky is it ? .......... mmm, then again
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Old 13-07-2009, 06:56 PM
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Nice one Mike ! Are you happy with your new filters? Do they aid contrast?
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Old 13-07-2009, 07:31 PM
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when did you get that one? nice bit of purple in it, how did the stars remain "normal"? you have been a busy boy
...?...a repro Abnormal imager = normal stars

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You are just loving that narrowband gear aren't you mate?

Great work Mike.

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It's certainly different Bazza amd much more like painting as the narrow band king Fred has shown above

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Beautifull colors, nice work Mike. Everyone going narrow banding these days.

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Yes, took me a while to warm to it Theo but once you have the filters and try it it grows on ya. That small scope of yours you purchased at Dick Smith's would produce some purlers for sure, do you have narrow band filters?

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Holy hell I almost followed through......... Come on Mike back to something life like. That almost scared the pants off me and that's not a pretty site.
Fred's rework looks a bit like what it sounds like you nearly did Doug

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ive seen a few narrowband images of this object, usually the outer is well differentiated from the core, im not an expert on narrowband so i cant immediately say why this isnt so..... its just alll the same (almost) color blue and purple, maybee it needs more Ha, a different color selection???

ive given you plenty of praise for your images in the past.... will hold on to that for just now, it needs something done with the colors for me to like it.
No worries Clive this ain't no World standard image just a play around.....as I I do The thing about Narrow band imaging and PS is...almost anything goes, so don't take as gospel what you see in any narrow band image Clive.

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Well its better than snotty green eh Mike? Electric blue kind of suits the scene. Its growing on me as its different. Still, I think this data wasn't the best if I recall. Hope you get some clear skies soon.

Cheers
I dunno, I've brought plenty of it up in the lasty week and I have grown quite fond of it..besides, it can't be too bad if you even occassionally resort to swallowing it

Yes I played with the variosu combo's I had put together - adding, averaging, blending and Ta da!

Oh and I love posting repro's just to annoy you Jase no seriously, It's fun going back over old data...you should try it

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Nice looking with lots of detail. Is this a crop Mike?
Yep! Of course it is Pauly, 35mm 11k chip + 1140mm FL = big field, Fred loves them

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Jase, Hubbles not that puky is it ? .......... mmm, then again
burnt orange huh? hmmmmm?

Hubble pallet hey Fred???? ok so what exactly is that??.. or are we perhaps kidding ourselves (like I do when I compare my shots to Hubble ) Seems this "hubble pallet" is a pretty loose term if ya ask me . It's kindergarten painting that's what it is (I find it pretty easy )

Oi, you have put halos around my stars...looks like one of your images now

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Nice one Mike ! Are you happy with your new filters? Do they aid contrast?
Cheers Dave, yes the new low reflection Astronomiks are excellent, the 11.8nm band pass is perfect IMO, not too narrow to need really long exposures and wide enough for some stars to be visible but still keep the energy tight - totally recomend them

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[QUOTE=strongmanmike;465296Oi, you have put halos around my stars...looks like one of your images now

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serves you right, and oi back sunshine, the halos were there to start with, but they were blue so your blue post buried them
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Old 13-07-2009, 08:23 PM
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Oh, and with round stars, seesh, its not hard

Any other way I can help you ? .
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Hmm that's strange Fred, I assume you are suggesting the stars in my image were not round..? I thought they were? In your reworked and re-blued version however they now look "worked on" and slightly egg shaped and less defined, did you do anything to them?....or maybe you're havin a lend of me..?

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serves you right, and oi back sunshine, the halos were there to start with, but they were blue so your blue post buried them
Ah huh! but that's skillful processing
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Old 14-07-2009, 07:13 AM
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Hmm that's strange Fred, I assume you are suggesting the stars in my image were not round..? I thought they were? In your reworked and re-blued version however they now look "worked on" and slightly egg shaped and less defined, did you do anything to them?....or maybe you're havin a lend of me..?

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Well, I was bein picky for fun Mike , I actually quite like the blue version, the stars are only slightly eggy on the original. And of course halos dont count if you cant see them . Here is a croped close up pre and post star fix. I dont know how to do a mouse roll-over, but if you click between them here, you can see the difference.
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Old 14-07-2009, 04:50 PM
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You are funny

While that degree of micro egging would be ignored by myself (as I did)...you are quite right I guess, but the problem with your method of fake star rounding is that you have altered the nebulosity as well...hmmm? sound familiar?

Look forward to examining your blackheads at Parkes mate, we should be seated at the same table? The evening will have an Italian flavour too so look out! Oooooh Sooooole Miooooo!....

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Old 14-07-2009, 05:41 PM
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As I said, the egging was very minor, and well, yes, the fix alters the nebulosity. I would also ignor such minor egging, but your sooo easy to wind up I couldnt resist .

Ive thought about this star fix and am of 2 minds, be interested to see what you think.

Eggy stars are just an obvious indication of a whole image being blured in the eggy direction, not just the stars, so youd think that the blended move fix would kind of deblur and tighten the neb too, where it should be. I understand of course this is artificial, not recommended, cheating et al. And it gets very ugly very quickly if over done, artifact city.

But, for tiny adjustments (perhaps less than what I did to yours), Im wondering if it actually improves the image slightly, tightening it up, especially blured transitions and edges in cloud structures.

Dont dismiss it out of hand Mike, Im just talking about one of many slight adjustments one makes to try and eek out the best of sometimes less than perfect capture conditions.
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Old 14-07-2009, 05:47 PM
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but your sooo easy to wind up I couldnt resist .
Wha da ya mean???? I AM NOT WOUND UP OK?????

Now, I am gunna go right through your latest images and trash'em (further) with lots (more) fake over-hard processing...then I'll post them to APOD ...and they will probably get displayed.....

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