thanks for looking......
For the settings and times
Gain 50 Offset 117 ( i have written an article on how to set this; iceman will put it up once its been proof read, spell checked, and whatever else is needful)
6 min exposures about 12 i think?
As theo said i let in some moisture AND had cleaned the sensor gently with a microfibre cloth..... leaving some oil from my fingers probably and this attracted the moisture once it got COLD (like about -40 deg C

) the solution kindly supplied by theo was to clean with Metylated spirits and assemble in a warm room (real warm)...... shot another set of images and no problems
thats about all i can think of relevance
clive.