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Old 28-02-2008, 07:23 AM
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AU$ climbs but Ozzi scope prices stay constant

The Commonwealth Bank listed their Mastercard exchange rate as US$91.93 for AU$1 last night. As the Ozzi dollar climbs higher against the US green back telescope prices remain constant in Australia.

Yet again Australian importers are reticent to pass on the saving to the many amateur Australian astronomers - preferring to pocket any exchange rate gains for themselves.

Notably Meade, Celstron and Losmandy prices in Australia are totally disproportionate to those listed for US residents.

To make matters worse Ozzi astronomers are limited in what they can legitimately import directly. US online shops are not meant to sell Celestron, Meade and Orion scopes to Australians - a measure that would seem to protect Australian distributors from global competition.

One would have imagined that the Australian Restrictive Trade Practices Act or the more recent Free Trade Agreement between the US and Australia would have afforded Australians protection against such seemingly blatant profiteering. Either legislation needs to be amended to provide such protection or current legislation needs to be better policed.

National Australian Legislation and International Agreements aside there would seem to be the distinct possibility that another resolve could arise. That of the consumer co-operative.

For instance Ice In Space now has a membership of 3,900. It is clearly a national collective with highly defined market profile and calculable annual market expenditure. It already provides consumer support and enjoys a very high level of consumer trust.

Such an organization poses a potential threat to the established Astronomy equipment distributorship's already in operation in Australia.

An Ice-Co-Op operating on 10% mark-up to cover costs could potentially relegate current Australian Distributorship's to only supplying department store telescopes.
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Old 28-02-2008, 07:44 AM
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Digby,
It's funny that you've posted this.
On another thread last week this situation was discussed.
Within a day (just coincidence) our two major astronomical retailers here in Sydney dropped their prices by approx 20%
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Old 28-02-2008, 07:54 AM
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Jeeeez!

Jeeezzz! $91.93 greenbacks for $1Aus! I'll have some of that - which bank?
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Old 28-02-2008, 08:00 AM
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Haven't we had this argument before?

If we set up a "co-op" I am sure Customs would be interested in taking their cut...5% duty plus 10% GST. Importing a large amount would make it much more likely that someone will get a "lemon" and so have to organise getting it back to the manufacturer. The Australian suppliers also have stock that was purchased when the dollar was a lot lower.

I think all the points have been made before...
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Old 28-02-2008, 08:39 AM
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Haven't we had this argument before?

The Australian suppliers also have stock that was purchased when the dollar was a lot lower.

if Australian Suppliers import goods now with the strong AU dollar does this mean that prices of goods will be lower in a few weeks or months?

I have never seen that happen with any supplier of any goods, except perhaps electronics.
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Old 28-02-2008, 12:41 PM
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Notably Meade, Celstron and Losmandy prices in Australia are totally disproportionate to those listed for US residents.
So vote with your wallet, don't buy brands that have special inflated "Australian" prices or exclusive distribution deals to eliminate competition here. Either import directly or buy from manufacturers that have fair pricing.

It's for this exact reason I haven't considered buying Meade, Celestron or Losmandy products but have bought Takahashi, William Optics and a variety of others.
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Old 28-02-2008, 03:00 PM
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Jeeezzz! $91.93 greenbacks for $1Aus! I'll have some of that - which bank?
Indeed which Bank?
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Old 28-02-2008, 06:57 PM
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Westpac's current USD sell rate for TT's (bank transfers) is 0.9338

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Old 28-02-2008, 07:55 PM
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I'm happy enough to buy local most of the time ...if the price has some parity with whats available elsewhere though sometimes it dosn't I know..I have 27 mm pano that is available $100+ cheaper than I bought it new for recently
in aus ..and a $700 7 mm nagler (original owners purchase price) ..Drawing a sketchy parralel here so if the aus dollar dropped to 50 cents tommorow everyone be happy if all prices mostly doubled at the open of trade tommorow ...yeah ???
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Old 28-02-2008, 08:06 PM
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The buy rate is almost 1 AUD = 0.95 USD, so its a great time to buy!
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Old 28-02-2008, 08:27 PM
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I agree with Stephan 65. Aside from the premier brands options (eg. vixen, williams optics) the quality of the Chinese and Tiawanese (skywatcher + guan sheng) products are excellent. Im having a great time with my new chinese Eq6 pro.

No way I would buy a Losmandy at current prices. Nice product but too inflated in price and better value for money elsewhere in my opinion.

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Old 28-02-2008, 08:31 PM
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The buy rate is almost 1 AUD = 0.95 USD, so its a great time to buy!
yeppers! tommorrow I'm buying a bucket full of travellers cheques for my trip in April. I'm lockng that rate in now cause it will no doubt go down again and probably not go much higher..I'll spew if it does though
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Old 28-02-2008, 08:57 PM
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in respect to retailers saying that they bought when the dollar was low, l wonder what would happen if l ordered a product now at todays rate and was prepared to wait for delivery, l would have to get it cheaper than the current marked price. wouldn't l ?
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Old 28-02-2008, 09:27 PM
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Greenbacks.....

What was our arrangement Mick? Didn't you say at the time you'd take greenbacks....?
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Old 28-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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Trying to buy when the dollar is up is not unlike waiting for the next generation in technology to hit the market, it never happens, and as for those that feel that Australian retailers should be passing on the savings then get into their outlets and create a bigger demand.

I will bet that they all ***** constantly about the daily fluctuations in fuel prices and if it happened to astro gear, Well Hey!

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Old 29-02-2008, 08:38 AM
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There should be no duty applied on Astronomical optics and mounts, only GST.
A C8 in the US is listed at approx 1000$ shipping with insurance (based on recent experience) is approx 100usd.
Thats 1100USD ~ 1200AUD + GST ~ 1300AUD?
Note the 1000USD price includes the retailers markup in the US. The lowest price in Aus is $1699, which would be ok if the dollar was 0.71.

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Old 29-02-2008, 11:41 AM
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There should be no duty applied on Astronomical optics and mounts, only GST.
A C8 in the US is listed at approx 1000$ shipping with insurance (based on recent experience) is approx 100usd.
Thats 1100USD ~ 1200AUD + GST ~ 1300AUD?
Note the 1000USD price includes the retailers markup in the US. The lowest price in Aus is $1699, which would be ok if the dollar was 0.71.
Not quite right.

For goods purchased over the internet with a value up to AU$1000, no duty or GST is payable. For goods over AU$1000, customs tax + GST is payable.

For your example, the value of the goods is $US1000 = $AU1057.56. You pay 5% customs fee on this value, which is an extra AU$52.88. You then have to pay GST on the $1057.56 + $52.88 + shipping, and the shipping was US$100 which is AU$105.76, so GST is an extra 10% of AU$1216.2, which adds AU$121.62 bringing the total to AU$1337.82

Note, conversion rate used in this example was 1 AUD = 0.945576 USD

For the correct laws and rules regarding purchasing from overseas, see this customs page
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Old 29-02-2008, 11:51 AM
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The premise of this thread is just plain wrong. ATS has dropped Losmandy mount prices over 10% reflecting the higher $A.
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Old 29-02-2008, 01:01 PM
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that may be correct Peter and well done but that does not seem to be the norm across the board. AEC seem to follow the ups and downs of the dollar and yourself it seems so why not everyone else or are we to believe it's a captured market by some outlets.
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Old 29-02-2008, 01:37 PM
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I would not be so hard on them.

The cost of operating a business (wages, taxes, outgoings) in Oz is higher than in the USA (try getting a machinist here to work for $11 an hour)...with just 15th of their domestic market. Plus if you have stock you have bought at $US0.75, selling to reflect the current $A will send you broke in a hurry.

I look at more like a buying a seat on an airline. Sure there are 5 cent fares out there, but if you absolutely must travel on certain dates, its gonna cost....

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that may be correct Peter and well done but that does not seem to be the norm across the board. AEC seem to follow the ups and downs of the dollar and yourself it seems so why not everyone else or are we to believe it's a captured market by some outlets.
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