Stratosphere Sunshade - to combat climate change

[glend (Glen)]

So this "idea" put forward to disperse reflective aerosol material in the upper atmosphere, is getting some publicity.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...lypse/11300460

A couple of points:

Do we really want to create the opportunity for governments and industry to 'excuse' action on climate change, by holding this up as a viable option to save us from our own stupidity and allow destruction to continue?

And for us astronomers, the dispersal of reflective particles in the upper atmosphere would pretty much destroy earth based astronomy imho.

I take some solace in that I have been able to enjoy dark clear skies for my 70 years, and have had the opportunity to observe and image the wonders therein; however my grandchildren and their children may not get that chance.
Let's all make sure our voices are heard on this issue, and not allow it to just slip into the inevitable basket on Scott Morrison's desk.

[xelasnave]

Climate change is a given with or without humans.
However humans will seize upon any opportunity to make profit from what folk percieve as a problem.

Hence we have such a terrible suggestion that we put up a Sun shade... I curse their opportunism that seeks to capitalise upon the fear that we are doomed.

The whole global warming and climate change thing is outta hand.

I personally believe the concern has been used to promote special interests...parucularly the NP lobby who are intent on taking the their goal which is the income from coal. ..that is as clear as day and only a fool gets sidetracked to consider otherwise.

Read your fables..particulatly "Chicken Little" and try and take on its simple message.

NP is the fox who cares nothing about the chooks ... save the world but damn the planet is not consistent with rational thinking.

So why not focus upon how we can save energy such that we burn less coal and oil...why not do that..lets start with stopping wastful non productive pursuits like tractor pulling and racing of all forms...no well why not?... no let the stupidy continue and let thugs capitalise upon the sky is falling scare...we need to switch off our lights..sure ..why so rich arrogant fools can play fast cars...and no doubt their income is derived from various " the sky is falling schemes" .. they dont care..they see us as fools and we try ti live up to their expectations.

Lets make a list of all the things "they" could do..not us...to reduce the gross consumption of energy.
Look at Al Gore..what a joke $45 million ahead with his "sky is falling" act but druves a 12 cylinder car and uses more power in his house than many small towns..and folk cant see his con..

I dare each and everyone to add a contribution to the list of what they could do rather than buy the NP lobby claim they are our saviour or that we need a sky Sun shade.

Get real ..focus on the problem that is not the ithing you are told to accept.
Alex

[bojan]

The only way to avoid global catastrophy is reduction of birth rate... and zero or even negative population growth.

But impossible task because of our natural insticts, fueled and protected by every religion you can think of.

[xelasnave]

We need religion to perpetuate the folk who will believe anything from a higher power... governmemts need folk who believe that politicians act only in the interests of the people and never ever to promote their side to gain profit or adittional power..a mug thinks I get power I will feed the hungry, house the homeless etc..but like it or not politicians are not influenced by a mere mortals desire to be decent..they get power by satifiying the demands of hidden players but only so they keep power and profit personally whilst in power.. but their concern is to make happy the folk no one knows about..folk who hold control over our elected representative greater than a puppeteer over his inanimate doll...
And as for those wondetful decent religious folk...heck if only we could have those folk, the wonderful religious folk concerned with being good and decent seeking to control via dogma rather than trust that humans could construct an acceptable morality...they have their problems but generally their motivation is to be good decent and careing...the folk at the bottom..the grass roots not those promoting the scam...to have them (those told not to think and embrace "faith") to have them think...to think outside the dogma given as a cure all for their human condition..oh just to have them think rather than abdicate their personal responsibility to contribute rather than to just thinking that everything is not in our control and not somehow beyond their control as part of a devine unknown plan.
Oh tou dreamer Alex sych could never be.
Maybe they could contribute meaningfully ...how wonderful would that be...their input not that given to them by subtle influence from others.

I can never understand that that we control the breeding of all domesticated species yet fail to employ such proven systems to taking humans to a higher level. ..human breeding should above all have guidelines that slowly get rid of undesirable features..oh yes there are some whoes genes have no place in the future...ok a chance to rant about morality of freedom etc etc. .go ahead and miss the important point...lets look at the edges and not look at the big picture... but the cows dont get that extention and guess what we have cows enjoying a better evolutionary path than us humans. ..if you have a undesirable feature you don't get to breed..is that unreasonable. ..

but more people is good..the market economy depends on an expanding market..it can not survive without continued expansion...

I get that and I dont like communism..as such..but there is a problem the market economy will not...can not ..entertain...the limit..yes there is a limit you can only sell so many door mats, etc but management can not accept that reality they will not conceed that there has to be a limit...else it all will and must collapse. ..there is no other option...pity there was not a religion who preaches something that would see the continuation of the human species rather than sow the seeds of its colapse...but then to lie that it will be all ok next time around perpetuates the stupidity that dooms our species...well fools get what fools sow but it is sad they sink the boat and will take everyone to their doom.

Bless the military as they are doing their best...all we need is a better bigger bomb..so one blast..the cull complete and those left wallow in the horror and put off a further cull for the distant future.
So a shade cloth will save us..thank goodness as I was becoming all too cynical...who would have though a Sun shade...And what better to stop that falling sky.
A pox on those profiteering mungrel dogs.
Alex

[AndyG (Andy)]

Good thread - thanks for posting... Sensible chuckles abound.

So - is this thread still likely to be unlocked by the time I get home?

Alex, what is your thoughts on the pursuit of Nuclear Fusion as an energy source, rather than Fission?

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by AndyG

So - is this thread still likely to be unlocked by the time I get home?

That's what I thought ....

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by AndyG

Good thread - thanks for posting... Sensible chuckles abound.

So - is this thread still likely to be unlocked by the time I get home?

Alex, what is your thoughts on the pursuit of Nuclear Fusion as an energy source, rather than Fission?

Fusion in my view is a myth.turning gold into lead or perhaps the reverse...has a better chance..it can't happen for many reasons ...in my view... even if the science is correct I doubt the forces required to contain the environment necessary are firstly possible and secondly capable of being maintained...another case of getting funding but incapable of delivering the dream... surely the sums must point that out..whatever...and it rests upon the science of what happens in the Sun being correct which is probable but perhaps not established.
If correct we should have had it delivered twenty years ago...fact...so how long now...oh at least another twenty years...sure ..how much and who do I write the cheque to.???

Its easy to prove me wrong of course...just deliver...else stop taking grants and never delivering.



I hope I will be proven wrong but as yet that has never happened...I may be a mug but never wrong..ever ..I have called out many folk and all said I was wrong but time has always shown I daw thru BS...Lets re visit in twenty years...still nothing or not???? It will go down as a mistake and a few however will fund nice life styles...as I said prove me wrong by delivering the goods....so simple.
I will get more delight being wrong but I bet I will not enjoy that aspect of reality.
But it probably wont happen and as we all die they will still be saying..oh ! another twenty years and we will have the perfect energy solution. Sure bet you dont.

Alex

[Oddity (Andrew)]

Nuts. I much prefer the recommendations in an article spotted in the "related links" section of that article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...oxide/11267556

[xelasnave]

I am doing my bit..one hundred acres of planted flash trees that are good for something but I dont know what ando two hundred acres of natural bush which is my way of saving something for the animals..I wish I could tie up more land. ..and I will in time.. .The loggers have almost reached my place ..soon there wont be any forest but my small patch...the plant trees lobby is only interested in govt subsidies to plant trees. .they are not interested in saving the planet but are concerned only with capitalising on public fear...look how many tree companies have gone bust once the hand outs stopped..it's criminal really..obtaining money under false pretenses. .

But you will find the NP lobby will say that more trees wont help..what about solar panels...NP says.mmm no as producing them creates a huge carbon foot print.guess NP is the only answer...herd the sheep into the box you have made for them..they NP lobby are the problem and please realise the game is only about NP taking the income from coal and oil... NP casts aside any solution that is not NP...they have been quiet after the disaster in Japan but wait and see they will start pushing their barrow again...and still never do we find the electric supply companys adding to their bill suggestions as to how you can reduce consumption...who would have thought???...nor do we find any agency suggesting ways to use less power...its a con folks and I am not saying the science is wrong or the planet is not experiencing a climate change...but you are being conned as to possible solutions..a tax..sure...what BS..NP what BS...solar power has too higb a carbon foot print..what more BS...honestly just wait for NP to slowly step out again with the only solution...theirs.
But in the mean time lets think of ways the rich can reduce their extreme energy consumprion...and perhaps ask your electricity supplier how to reduce your consumption...I am sure they will suggest all manner of things to reduce their annual income.
Dont fall for the propaganda ask who benefits and where will the money go.
Alex

[xelasnave]

Carbon footprints by the rich.
https://youtu.be/xSghQSE5pXA
Alex

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Carbon footprints by the rich.
https://youtu.be/xSghQSE5pXA
Alex

Not a Telescope in sight ..... not even an Observatory on the Decks

[xelasnave]

I think I would have a helicopter to fly me to my dark site where I would have a couple of Hubble replica s...bigger of course...in fact a dragon fly array of them��
Alex

[xelasnave]

And one of these to run around my race track on the lower deck.
https://youtu.be/EEXe6NVzQe4
Alex

[xelasnave]

Anyways my point re doing anything about climate change is perhaps these folk could cut back a bit...only 80 foot boats and nothing bigger than a 2000 HP V12. Why should anyone bother when they perhaps destroy the forward progress ...I know put the carbon tax up to 20% that will stop them��
Alex