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Old 24-01-2018, 09:11 AM
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Wouldn't it be nice to turn on the news in the morning not to have what the idiot Trump had has a 'brain fart' as the lead story.
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Old 24-01-2018, 09:17 AM
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Wouldn't it be nice to turn on the news in the morning not to have what the idiot Trump had has a 'brain fart' as the lead story.
You'd only hear about "Turnips" brain farts then.. Not sure which is worse..
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Old 24-01-2018, 09:42 AM
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Well North and South Korea have opened dialogue towards greater communication and exchanges of ideas. Potentially this has resulted from Trump bluff and bluster. Maybe...

The US economy is doing reasonably well.

We haven't all been obliterated in nuclear holocaust.

I have heard a ginormous amount of negative press about everything to do with Trump even before he was elected. And that continues. Some balance would be nice...I'm sure there are positives should we choose to look. Yes he has some very obvious issues...so do I. Don't we all..?

Everyone is on the popular "hate Trump" wagon. I'm not pro trump but I like to look for balance and seek the other side. I don't trust the popular media and I think there's always an agenda behind all reporting. At the moment that's anti-Trump. And everyone looks to cash in on that.

In the Kradashian world where the base person believes everything they read online or see on their TV, I've become more sceptical. So everyone hates Trump. Well...maybe there's more to the news than we readily absorb.
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Old 24-01-2018, 10:22 AM
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Well North and South Korea have opened dialogue towards greater communication and exchanges of ideas.
I suspect all we are currently seeing is a bit of smoke and mirrors put out by a professional liar to cover up what he is doing for a bit longer, and the other side is going along in hope.
ie Neville Chamberlain also opened a dialogue once and came back with a signed bit of paper saying "all will be well" to prove it.
That ended well.
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Old 24-01-2018, 10:40 AM
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I suspect all we are currently seeing is a bit of smoke and mirrors put out by a professional liar to cover up what he is doing for a bit longer, and the other side is going along in hope.
ie Neville Chamberlain also opened a dialogue once and came back with a signed bit of paper saying "all will be well" to prove it.
That ended well.
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I agree. Facts, and proof often come with time.

Let's see how we are in a few years time.
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Old 24-01-2018, 10:58 AM
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Trump in effect whipped everyones butt ... in his party to become candidate and then the election and that hurts and continues to hurt ... he beat those who had been in the game for years so he would be seen as an upstart.

And if anyone really cared to look and work out his tactic you will realise that he is playing the political game exceptionally well...Any publicity is good publicity dont you know and he has the opposition running around in circles seemingly focused on his personal problems such that policy seems to take a back seat.

And this confusion that I suggest he creates is for the specific purpose of perpetuating his oppositions hate for him such that the democrates are not thinking about the next election and planning for it.

They are tied up planning protests rather than the next election.

He plays the game keep them guessing...he makes the game personal and his opposition fall in the trap.

He exhibits great cunning by causing focus to be on trivial matters.

Unfortunately the opposition seem to be falling for his game.

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Old 24-01-2018, 10:59 AM
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I sure do prefer hearing "Trump had a brain fart" than the what-if (and with a LARGE amount of truth) of "Hillary declares war on Russia".

Trump is an absolute moron, but Hillary was pure evil that WOULD have taken the world to the brink of war, or even over the precipice. Hillary needs genuine psychiatric help (well recognised now)
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Old 24-01-2018, 11:44 AM
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I sure do prefer hearing "Trump had a brain fart" than the what-if (and with a LARGE amount of truth) of "Hillary declares war on Russia".

Trump is an absolute moron, but Hillary was pure evil that WOULD have taken the world to the brink of war, or even over the precipice. Hillary needs genuine psychiatric help (well recognised now)
Utter twaddle.
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Old 24-01-2018, 11:55 AM
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Hillary needs genuine psychiatric help (well recognised now)
And Trump needs to be locked-up in a rubber room.
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Old 24-01-2018, 11:59 AM
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Well North and South Korea have opened dialogue towards greater communication and exchanges of ideas. Potentially this has resulted from Trump bluff and bluster. Maybe...
They have more in common than not and probably see Trumpet as a common enemy intent on starting a war.

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The US economy is doing reasonably well.
Economists consistently say the improvements in the U.S. economy are a legacy of Obama, not Trumpet. This piece of trash has wiped out the environmental protection process and given open slather to anyone who wants to pollute. He's attempted to destroy health care in the U.S. and handed the richest a multi-billion dollar bonus... at the expense of the poor. he's radically divided the country and that's just for starters.

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We haven't all been obliterated in nuclear holocaust.
He's working on it. Since Trumpet took over, the Kim dong dong camp has accelerated its weapons development program... and I don't blame them one little bit.

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I have heard a ginormous amount of negative press about everything to do with Trump even before he was elected. And that continues. Some balance would be nice...I'm sure there are positives should we choose to look. Yes he has some very obvious issues...so do I. Don't we all..?
That's because he is a complete and utter narcissistic scum-sucking abomination on every level. Since being "elected" he's pulled out the same rule book as most dictators, destroy any opposition and discredit those who challenge what he does.. If he wasn't such a tub of lard, I'd expect him to goose step.

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Everyone is on the popular "hate Trump" wagon. I'm not pro trump but I like to look for balance and seek the other side. I don't trust the popular media and I think there's always an agenda behind all reporting. At the moment that's anti-Trump. And everyone looks to cash in on that.
He's a proven liar, cheat and completely self centred. What's not to hate? Name one redeeming factor!

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In the Kradashian world where the base person believes everything they read online or see on their TV, I've become more sceptical. So everyone hates Trump. Well...maybe there's more to the news than we readily absorb.
The Kradashian world is where Trumpet thrives, pander to the moron fringe and deny reality. The "credible" news outlets state the case and back it with facts. The Trumpet camp sends out "tweets". When the credible news outlets are all aying the same thing... time to listen.
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Old 24-01-2018, 12:01 PM
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And Trump needs to be locked-up in a rubber room.
Hell yes. Then he could bounce around all by himself all day. The man is a buffoon.

The one I really despise is Vice-Puncident Mike Pence. Really slimy looking bastige, and I am sure he's going to do something really smarmy/snarky any time soon. Good match for Dump though.
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Old 24-01-2018, 12:03 PM
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Utter twaddle.
Then you need to do some reading Rom. Her modus operandi and agenda would scare most.
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Old 24-01-2018, 12:26 PM
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Rom I prefer to see evidence of things myself before I lay scathing judgments. And all we're seeing is what were shown and told. The media is A little 1984 Orwellian for me.

Have you personally seen any of the things you're shown on the telly?

Just sayin...
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Old 24-01-2018, 12:46 PM
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There is always a bright side...
Remeber the ban the bomb rallies and later the anti Vietnam protests?
It all seemed to go away such that the average folk were apart from political process.
Trump has stirred polital emotion and personally I think that is a good thing.
Admittedly the protests get out of hand but at least folk are concerned and interested and really for some time politics was a closed shop.
And the other wonderful thing to appreciate you all can call Trump what you like but (so far) there is no retribution and certainly there are other systems that would see you disappear if you even himted that you did not love your leaders.

As to the media...its news folks...they love it...how can anyone not see that.

If anyone does anything outrageous they love it...they stir the pot and so many just dont get it.
As Les says in effect stay cool and calm.
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Old 24-01-2018, 01:07 PM
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Greg can you post the content please I like many others dont do face book.
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Old 24-01-2018, 01:54 PM
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Greg can you post the content please I like many others dont do face book.
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Linked article is here:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/presi...21-h0lpm6.html

"One year after taking the oath of office, President Donald Trump has made 2140 false or misleading claims, according to The Washington Post's The Fact Checker database that analyses, categorises and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the President. That's an average of nearly 5.9 claims a day."

I know we are accustomed to be cynical about statements and claims made by politicians, but Trump really takes it to a new level.
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Vote 1 ... Rom for President
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There are worse options and we'd certainly see some direct action. Personally I think Alex would be a good option. Apart from his obvious decency and common sense he has the ability to make obscure/confusing statements without scaring people (sorry .. scaring folk) .

Of course if I was President for a day .... I'd put off everything until tomorrow.
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Economists consistently say the improvements in the U.S. economy are a legacy of Obama, not Trumpet. This piece of trash has wiped out the environmental protection process and given open slather to anyone who wants to pollute. He's attempted to destroy health care in the U.S. and handed the richest a multi-billion dollar bonus... at the expense of the poor. he's radically divided the country and that's just for starters.
Economist are split... however, almost all give credit to Trump for the recent stock price surge. This of course, has nothing to do with the economy, per se, but gives an indication of investor apetite for investment based on promises (true or false) as to where the GOP are going to take "capitalism". Obama's legacy is that he at least paved the way for a reduction in the paperwork associated with regulation, even though his administration increased regs (particularly in Oil and Gas, after the Macondo incident). His administration at least made the process more streamlined, thus more "corporate friendly" (I have Republican friends who seriously disagree with me here... )

I'm not happy with who he has as the head of the EPA, period. I suspect that over-sight over areas such as ANWAR and offshore GOM are going to revert to the G.W. Bush days. Obama oversaw the worst envionmental disaster in US history and changed things so it (most likely) won't happen again. I'd like to keep it that way.

As for destroying health care, I have to . It was already destroyed. The problem is that the GOP and Dems should have gotten together to fix the ACA, not rip it down. Almost every American wants free choice when it comes to health care. The ACA took that away (think individual and corporate mandates). I'm on a group plan with my company, which is far better than what I could get under the ACA at 25% less cost. Easy math...

The reason the ACA is so costly is that it's designed to force young healthy people (under the individual mandate) to support and subsidize the unhealthy one (and the elderly).

I do agree that Trump's being self serving with respect to the new tax reductions... millionaires get about a 3.3% break, whereas I'll get about 2.4%. Better than a kick in the pants, but I see your point.

The best part of the tax plan is the ability for corporations to repatriate money. Granted a lot will be given to shareholders as dividends or to buy back stock, but there has already been a significant number of companies that plan on reinvesting (Apple for example) and expanding operations (i.e. more jobs) in America, along with raising wages and giving a bonus (Walmart of all companies!). So I'll disagree that the tax bill is hurting the US.

The US divided when Obama took office... Trump just exposed the under-belly. Obame was too far left for the right and Trump too far an idiot for the left... and is now showing that he's far right to boot.

Bottom line : Both parties suck at governing, not unlike the sitation in Australia...

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He's working on it. Since Trumpet took over, the Kim dong dong camp has accelerated its weapons development program... and I don't blame them one little bit.
North Korea's foray into Nukes is well documented and it's the Clinton administration who let the Genie out of the bottle in 1994.


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That's because he is a complete and utter narcissistic scum-sucking abomination on every level. Since being "elected" he's pulled out the same rule book as most dictators, destroy any opposition and discredit those who challenge what he does.. If he wasn't such a tub of lard, I'd expect him to goose step.

Agree with almost every point... well said. The only difference is that 1) we (United States of America) are still democratic; 2) we have the right to ignore him (which upwards of 64% do) and; 3) we reserve the right to shoot our pollies... so I don't expect to goose-step anytime soon.


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He's a proven liar, cheat and completely self centred. What's not to hate? Name one redeeming factor!
As is every politician, statesman, diplomat and most every Homo Sapien on the planet. As for redeeming factor? His hair make's the Golden Pheasant look good!

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The Kradashian world is where Trumpet thrives, pander to the moron fringe and deny reality. The "credible" news outlets state the case and back it with facts. The Trumpet camp sends out "tweets". When the credible news outlets are all aying the same thing... time to listen.
100% correct.




In closing, I don't mind Trump, I just wish he would shutup and govern. I agree that Hillary would have made a bad choice. We (America) were presented with two evil... guess which one was the lesser?

I would have preferred John Kasich as a candiate for the GOP and Lincoln Chaffe for the dems. But both were eliminated. I could not bring myself to vote for a Presidential ticket this time around, so I didn't. Voted in all other areas, but not for the top ticket.

2018 mid-terms should be interesting. The dems have a chance to win a few seat in the lower house, with the senate up for grabs.

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