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Old 16-12-2006, 03:49 PM
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Pentax SDP 125

HI guys,

Been spending abit of time looking at a replacement scope and set up.
The AP is said to be delivered March so I do have some time but when we are talking apos then there can even be a longer wait then this.

I have always wanted a nice apo even though the FOV will be vary large with a STL11000...may look at a different camera but at the moment the STL is still on the cards.

I have always wanted a Tak TOA 130...just looking at options atm.

I am not going down the long focal length route this time but I dont want a 500mm fl scope either.

My typical range would be between 1000-1500mm is optimal for me.

So whats your thoughs of this Super Apo some are calling them.
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Old 16-12-2006, 03:53 PM
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Go with the TOA-150 Tony !
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Old 16-12-2006, 04:05 PM
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too expensive andrew but dont tempt me...grrrrrrrr
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Old 16-12-2006, 04:06 PM
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Well then the TOA-130, it's a great time to buy !

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Old 17-12-2006, 09:58 AM
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Tony,
If you've always wanted one, then don't let others persuade you.
The review on CN, appears positive, but the author hasn't drilled down on the specifics - http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1287

I note your heading Pentax SDP 125. These are great astrographs if its all you intended to use them for. I've heard visually, they aren't very pleasing.

If you're going to go above the 500mm F/L, would suggest you look at the AP refractors. Long wait lists unfortunately, but they hold their value. Very impressive instruments. The 160 StarFire is a monster.
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Old 17-12-2006, 10:30 AM
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The AP offcourse is on the top of my list but having about a 5 year wait is just a bit too long for me...lol

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Old 17-12-2006, 12:14 PM
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Don't discard astromart.com.. they come up there now and then. Even a 6 or 10 year AP refractor still holds its value. So don't expect it to be cheap. Apparently the 180s are the hardest to obtain. They only made a few of them.
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Old 17-12-2006, 12:21 PM
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I was looking through Peter (exfso) Tak 130 lastnight, boy it brings in some nice images. Not sure how your camera would perform through it though. Only down side is the lack of apature. Yeah its a nice scope but your exposures would be considerably longer with the smaller front end.
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Old 17-12-2006, 12:24 PM
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Yeah I think Mike (strongman) should get rid of his AP to me now that he's getting an 12"ASA.

Does anyone know any criminal history or some good goss so I can bribe him....lol
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Old 17-12-2006, 12:26 PM
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Thanks Andrew,

You dont need much aperture for CCD work.

I would be happy to say that a 6" apo will well and truely perform better then a 10" SCT..I hope I'm right...lol
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Old 17-12-2006, 12:28 PM
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There is also the new willaims optic 132mm I can use as a back up but between the Tak and WO I would prefer the Tak.....even just on resale value.
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Old 17-12-2006, 01:02 PM
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you got a website for that WO scope?
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Old 17-12-2006, 01:24 PM
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http://www.atscope.com.au/williamopt.html
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Old 22-12-2006, 11:04 AM
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Go for the TOA-130, you will be disappointed with the WO which is not much cheaper than the TOA but won't have the same level chromatic correction. I don't know where the WO-132 optics is made but a lot of the smaller WO's are made in China (from some only the lenses are made in China). Bottom line is, the WO's wont keep their value but the TOA's will.
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Old 22-12-2006, 12:00 PM
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The WO-132 does look ok on paper, but agree, putting a large format CCD camera behind it is the real test. I saw the 132 while at an astrophotography conference in Antwerp, Belgium. Its a monster scope. Looks very impressive.
http://www.williamoptics.com/prod_te...32/chrommb.gif
http://www.williamoptics.com/prod_te...32/sp_spot.htm
Traditionally, the WO-110 and WO-132 uses either TEC or TMB lenses. The TEC objectives are impressive, but potentially difficult to obtain. Not sure if its is possible to specify the type of objective. Perhaps luck of the draw.

Indeed, the TOA-130 would be a preferable option, but make sure its the TOA-130F (A$9,107) with the 4" focuser, not the TOA-130S (A$7,862) with the 2.7" focuser. No point spending this sum of money only to limit your image circle for large format CCDs. I'm seriously thinking about the TOA-130F, even though I've put my name down on the "new Q" (new version of the FSQ-106). Takahashi still haven't released any specs on the new Q. It is anticipated that the new Q will cost around the A$7,800 mark, but will not start shipping until April '07. Not sure if I can wait this long. So it’s only approx $1k more to get the TOA-130F, but then would also need to purchase a field flattener (35 flattener A$530). I'm a purist for flat fields, can't get enough of them. The flatter the better.

This then adds a twist. The TOA-130 has a focal length of 1000mm, this is a nice focal length for many deep sky objects, however when you at the flattener the focal length changes to 758mm. So, if the new FSQ is similar to the old (around the 530mm), there is not much difference between the two. The FSQ would operate at its native focal ratio of F/5 and the TOA-130F with field flattener at F/5.8, so again not much difference. The FSQ does not need a field flattener due to its quadruplet modified petzal design. Hence you can be assured of an 88mm image circle. I can't imagine the TOA field flattener would add any form of vignetting. Natively, the TOA has a 92mm image circle, but not sure what the flattener would do. Anyone out there willing to share their experience with a TOA-130 field flattener??? Perhaps you can use the 67 field flattner (A$950) which would resolve any concerns.

Of course, this is all fine if you intended to stick to small CCD chips like those in the ST7,8,9 and 10. But using a large format CCD like in the STL11k or STL6303E you’re bound to experiencing vignetting and field curvature problems. Nothing some sky flats and image processing can't take care of, but its wise to mitigate these in the first place to minimise the processing time.

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Old 22-12-2006, 12:07 PM
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I'd like to note that when hooking up an STL series to many of the Takahashi scopes, you shouldn't use special SBIG 2" nose peice. You use a special adapter such as these - http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=7121&kw=Feldstein& st=2
This ensure you obtain a full image circle, unvignetted field of view. Though, again, not sure what happens with a field flattener.

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Old 22-12-2006, 01:47 PM
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The older WO FLT 110 had the oil-spaced triplet design made by TEC which was a very good optic. The new TMB designed optics is an air-spaced triplet but I am not sure who actually makes it. TMB has good connections to China (they get some achromatic lenses made there).... so I would not be surprised if WO gets their large lenses from there as well as the smaller once... which is generally not bad but will probably lead to a larger quality distribution... but all that is just speculation even so it is a very plausible scenario.
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Old 22-12-2006, 01:54 PM
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Thanks guys,

I totaly agree with resale value and me being known to have sold gear just once or maybe twice before this should be consideration....lol

Jase I am looking at the TOA130 with 4" focuser with the larger 67 Field flattner and grabbing the reducer just in case.

The news on the new FSQ was it going to be F4 which is great but too short a focal length for me...dont quote me on this it was just a rumour.

I honestly havn't disregarded the TOA150 either but it is a few thousand out of my budget but does have the beter focal length for me.

Check that TOA150 out bottom of page...I'm in love.
http://www.bttechnologies.com:80/tel...ahashi_toa.htm
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Old 22-12-2006, 02:06 PM
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Check that TOA150 out bottom of page...I'm in love.
http://www.bttechnologies.com:80/tel...ahashi_toa.htm
Tony buy the TOA-150, you won't regret it mate.

Then I can buy it from you a few weeks later......

But honestly it's well worth the extra cost.
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Old 22-12-2006, 02:10 PM
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Andrew,

Thats not the answer I was after.

You meant to say buy the 130F its better value....lol

The 150 Field looks flat with flattner to me.

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