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Old 29-04-2016, 02:32 PM
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Abusive Supplier

How do you deal with an unpleasant and abusive supplier of astronomy goods ?
I recently ordered some parts from an australian supplier, they were not expensive. Although i had read that this particular person can be difficult to deal with i wanted to buy from a local dealer took the chance. The parts were not in stock so i was told it would take about 2 weeks, and promptly forwarded the money.
The parts finally arrived 8 weeks later after i was told they were only ordered when a large order was sent. When i opened the package to my dismay they were the wrong parts so i contacted him by phone to discuss it. He became very aggressive and told me that i should have given him the parts numbers even though i had described the parts unambiguously in my first email and he did not request the numbers.
The call became rather heated after i was told i was my fault and it would take a few weeks further, he gave no absolute timeframe, for the correct parts to be sent. I asked for a refund and i would return the incorrect parts when the money was in my account.
His reply was i would get a refund when the parts arrived, he also stated since it was a small transaction he was not all that interested in my concerns and he then called me an "a...hole" and hung up.
How do you deal with someone like this, how do you warn those that are new to the hobby
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:34 PM
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What State is this shonky supplier based in, George?

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Old 29-04-2016, 02:36 PM
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small parts such as adapters are a headache. it is difficult to know what to get. I have often ordered parts that I didn't need but held onto them rather than sending them back (although it was never the suppliers fault but my own), and later down the track I have ended up using them anyway.

saying all that, when someone is abusive I would never use them again nor recommend them if someone asks for advice on where they should go.
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:39 PM
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What State is this shonky supplier based in, George?

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I will answer by pm if you want, although there have been other threads about this person in the past
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:40 PM
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lol can I guess is it Voldemort in Victoria? (you shall not mention his name ......) woops, bugger I said his name.......spose the death eaters will be after me now......
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:42 PM
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Well, this appears to be over the top, so I think the members need to know who it is. The problem is how to let them know without putting yourself at
risk of some sort of retaliation from the supplier.
Maybe another member can come up with a solution.
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:49 PM
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small parts such as adapters are a headache. it is difficult to know what to get. I have often ordered parts that I didn't need but held onto them rather than sending them back (although it was never the suppliers fault but my own), and later down the track I have ended up using them anyway.

saying all that, when someone is abusive I would never use them again nor recommend them if someone asks for advice on where they should go.
I have all the emails sent and if i made mistake i would have accepted it but i didn't. The parts will never be suitable for what i want. I will never deal with him again and will warn anybody against it.
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:50 PM
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lol can I guess is it Voldemort in Victoria? (you shall not mention his name ......) woops, bugger I said his name.......spose the death eaters will be after me now......
No it wasn't him although he can be as bad, different state
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:52 PM
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Naming and shaming is an art in itself. But if you stick to just the cold hard facts you can't go far wrong.
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:52 PM
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+1 to issues with this supplier, being blamed for their mistakes is surely the pinnacle of outstanding customer experience
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:52 PM
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gee , well PM please , didn't think there would be two unmentionables
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:55 PM
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Why we can't simply name and shame?
He will do it again if we are so nice to him, methinks.
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:58 PM
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its been noted that negative comments on at least one business get deleted (possibly due to heated nature of comments ) so Im not sure naming here will work out. Its a shame as good old freedom of speech gets quashed by legal threats too often.
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Old 29-04-2016, 03:02 PM
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PM me too please I'd be interested to know as I live in vic and will want to avoid this bloke
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Old 29-04-2016, 03:13 PM
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I asked for a refund and i would return the incorrect parts when the money was in my account.
His reply was i would get a refund when the parts arrived,
not too many businesses would issue a refund before receiving back the goods, too many punters would not have the incentive to return the items.
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Old 29-04-2016, 03:16 PM
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Sure you can name the vendor. As for the shaming, it all depends on how you do it; sticking to just the facts should do fine in this case. Stay cool and consult the IIS TOS - a relevant excerpt follows:

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Old 29-04-2016, 03:23 PM
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not too many businesses would issue a refund before receiving back the goods, too many punters would not have the incentive to return the items.
I plan to return the items, i sent him money 2months ago in good faith, if he has any scruples he would do the same
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Old 29-04-2016, 04:39 PM
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My guess would be a SA business? Reminds me of the soup Nazi on Sienfeld
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Old 29-04-2016, 08:32 PM
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As a astro supplier it's upsetting to hear a customer being verbally abused by their supplier.

There simply is no excuse for that and they should apologise.

Lately I had been abused by a supplier myself, one no other than Sensis/Yellow Pages. They started bullying us with debt collectors after we repeatedly told them to cancel a contract we never signed up for. Spent several hours on hold with the phone emailing etc. nothing helped.

Then I found their facebook page and went, aha!

I posted reviews I've found all over the web about things they've done to bully other customers onto their own facebook page. I threatened that I will continue doing this every hour until they solved our problems, kinda like hostage-taking I guess. (though they already had a lot of other complaints on thier fb page anyway)

The phone rang just minutes later and they backed off, though it took another reminder via another public shaming (and setting up a boycott YP page) to get them to actually call their legal reps off our tail.

So yes public shaming can work, but it can backfire, example below.

Here's one more experience, at the receiving end.

A notorious astro blogger and I had a misunderstanding once and he went on a facebook tirade, and our friend, who was a friend of his, told me about it and Asked why and how it happened.

Turns out he was asking for something in exchange for free advertising for his site, and because I hadn't replied on the same day before our 2-day weekend, he blew his top.

IT was only I pointed out to his commentors that he was just upset over the fact that he wasn't essentially getting anything for free. He contacted me, apologised, we agreed that the post was making both of us look bad--a number of people who commented had nasty things to say about him too so yeah... he took it down and offered to help us out with some publicity, though I haven't come up with any good ideas on what to work with.

Fling enough mud and some will stick, but sometimes if you have already tried all avenues and all you get is verbal abuse/bullying, you have to stop isolating yourself because likely other people would have been in the same situation.

Usually small businesses care more about their reputation and customers. When dealing with large companies, you're often a nobody, and will only respond to you if you're a major threat to their public image. So when I hear of a small business not caring...it doesn't make sense to me whey they'd do that.
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Old 29-04-2016, 10:39 PM
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this thread has been civil so far but just a reminder guys and gals :

When discussing a vendor, be careful about what you post as it can be easy for comments to be taken the wrong way and a vendor may take offense. In general, remember to be specific about your experience or opinion, don't generalise and don't play judge and jury. Think and re-read before pressing submit.
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