This smells a bit off in my opinion

[Exfso (Peter)]

http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10...pportwindows10=

What about Mac and Linux machines, does this mean they will not be able to use the latest Intel processors?
Looks like the word of the times is "MONOPOLY"

[bugeater (Marty)]

They are just saying the older versions of Windows won't support newer processors. That's all the processors. Not just Intel. So?

[MortonH]

Skylake will support Mac OS and Linux. I think what that article is saying is the only Windows support is for Windows 10.

[The_bluester (Paul)]

That is my read on it too. Sort of says that my current foray into AP when I get the rest of my gear together will be limited until I decide to upgrade to a later camera. Currently I was looking at buying a Celeron NUC to run a WinXP install (Due to the old camera) to clip to the mount, combining camera control and mount control in a small, cheapish box allowing remote control via VNC. But if I do it I will need to spring for the NUC before Baytrail chips run out, it is hard enough getting XP onto newer boxes already.

Looking at the Celeron as they run from 12VDC so battery power is possible.

Later if U upgrade cameras it becomes less of an issue, the 350D is not supported by 64 bit Windows OS or by my understanding anything later than 32 bit Win7.

[CJ (Chris)]

I have several old but good, and fairly expensive at the time, pieces of musical hardware that are collecting dust because the manufactures wont write Win7 drivers for them. I do have an XP machine but the software, and the bolt ons, that used to work in conjunction with the hardware marches on, demanding newer operating systems. Very annoying.

[doppler (Rick)]

Originally Posted by CJ

I have several old but good, and fairly expensive at the time, pieces of musical hardware that are collecting dust because the manufactures wont write Win7 drivers for them. I do have an XP machine but the software, and the bolt ons, that used to work in conjunction with the hardware marches on, demanding newer operating systems. Very annoying.

I know what you mean. I have a great high res scanner that can scan 35mm negatives and slides and medium format negatives as well. When the desktop finally gave up on me and I had to upgrade to win7 the scanner wasn't supported and canon wouldn't update the driver. I can still use it with a win xp 10" netbook I have but it's not ideal. I did find an aftermarket software company that will supply a driver but for $50 US.

[Eggmoon (Geoff)]

You could always run an XP virtual machine within your newer computer to run your older devices....

[Exfso (Peter)]

I think some are losing what I was trying to convey. If one wants to run a computer with the newest Intel chips in the near future, from what I am reading it has to be Windows 10, at least that is what I am reading into the article.
If it is correct, and I am hopefully not reading it correctly, the newer Intel architecture will be only able to run with Windows 10. So those running Windows 8, 7 or lower will not be able to use those operating systems with the newest Intel chips that will be coming out.
This is why I detect a little bit of collusion between Intel and Microsoft. Hopefully I am wrong,

[DarkArts]

IMHO, Virtual Machines are the way to go. I have several on the go at any one time - at the moment it's XPSP2, XPSP3, W7SP1 and another Linux one, all running on a Linux host. And if you use VirtualBox, it won't cost you anything to transfer your old OS to a Virtual Machine.

@ Peter: It's nothing new. We used to call that the Wintel cartel in the 90s.

[CJ (Chris)]

I still think not publishing new drivers whiffs a bit.

[RickS (Rick)]

I hate to be an apologist for Microsoft (as a Unix/embedded Linux guy for a few decades) but it's a lot of work to build and QA operating system support for a new processor, so I'm not surprised they aren't going to invest that effort in what they consider legacy systems.

Cheers,
Rick.

[doppler (Rick)]

Originally Posted by DarkArts

IMHO, Virtual Machines are the way to go. I have several on the go at any one time - at the moment it's XPSP2, XPSP3, W7SP1 and another Linux one, all running on a Linux host. And if you use VirtualBox, it won't cost you anything to transfer your old OS to a Virtual Machine.

@ Peter: It's nothing new. We used to call that the Wintel cartel in the 90s.

I'll have to look into these virtual machines. I have always partitioned my hdd and run multi boot systems, but it was a lot easier to do with the older windows os's.
It's like they are trying to force windows 10 upon us one way or another, might have to find some cheap older mother boards, processors and ram online and stash them for rebuilds.

[The_bluester (Paul)]

Originally Posted by Exfso

I think some are losing what I was trying to convey. If one wants to run a computer with the newest Intel chips in the near future, from what I am reading it has to be Windows 10, at least that is what I am reading into the article.
If it is correct, and I am hopefully not reading it correctly, the newer Intel architecture will be only able to run with Windows 10. So those running Windows 8, 7 or lower will not be able to use those operating systems with the newest Intel chips that will be coming out.
This is why I detect a little bit of collusion between Intel and Microsoft. Hopefully I am wrong,

I don't read it that way myself. My read on it is if you want to run Windows on one of the new boards, it will more or less have to be Windows 10. They are progressively not going to support older versions of Windows on the new architecture, if you look at it there are drop dead dates for Windows 7 and 8 and they are different. I would expect that after that time, updates will stop and drivers for new boards will simply not be written.

I also hate to be the apologist but it is inevitable I think. Hard to see the value in supporting a 2009 OS on 2017+ hardware etc. Or worse for Vista or XP.

[alpal]

Originally Posted by Exfso

http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10...pportwindows10=

What about Mac and Linux machines, does this mean they will not be able to use the latest Intel processors?
Looks like the word of the times is "MONOPOLY"

That really annoys me.

It seems that Microsoft deliberately make older systems redundant to make more money.
There is nothing wrong with Win 7 - they should have stuck to that.

I have Win 7 & I don't want to upgrade to Win 10 & get a truck load of problems.

[Kev11 (Kevin)]

This is the logical outcome of "free market forces". The only positive may be an increased incentive for someone to undercut the monopolist cf Uber.

[bugeater (Marty)]

Originally Posted by alpal

That really annoys me.

It seems that Microsoft deliberately make older systems redundant to make more money.
There is nothing wrong with Win 7 - they should have stuck to that.

I have Win 7 & I don't want to upgrade to Win 10 & get a truck load of problems.

I was happy with MS-DOS

[ZeroID (Brent)]

Working in a corporate IT dept with the usual lag in adoption especially with the suggested time frame of 2017 for Win7 this is a real problem Many of our apps are legacy adaptations and although they are updating stuff, having access to historical data that has been configured for particular systems could become an issue. ( Not all apps are created by or for MS ).
I ported several of them to browser access a while ago but they still need the app running at the server to supply the info.

Time to retire soon, can be somebody else's problem.

[Wavytone]

Basically.... MS has inserted a bit of malware into registered copies of windows 7 as part of several system updates. This has lain doggo for a while an no-one noticed, but now its trying to force all and sundry to date to Windows 10 whether you like it or not.

This malware forcibly downloads Windows 10 regardless of what network you are using - if you are using a 3G/4G mobile connection, make sure you watch out or it will burn your entire data cap fast.

Initially it appeared MS was hitting home users, then SME's, but in the past 10 days or so it now appears to be biting corporates as well with assorted popup dialogs insisting you update the OS.

The worst part is that removing this crapware is proving to be quite difficult.

[The_bluester (Paul)]

Have not been at work in the last three months to see one way or another if the work machine has the popup (Long service leave) but my work only moved to Win7 last year! I can't seem them moving to 10 by the end of 2017 that is for sure.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by Kev11

This is the logical outcome of "free market forces". The only positive may be an increased incentive for someone to undercut the monopolist cf Uber.

It's called Linux.