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Old 31-12-2015, 08:18 PM
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Sirius marks the New Year?

Is the New Year marked by Sirius being at its 'Noon' position at midnight. Is this just a coincidence or does the New Year actually commence with the brightest star being in its highest position at midnight? (Except for those on Daylight Saving Time). Anybody know? I have never been able to find any clear answers on this.
Here in Cairns it is virtually directly overhead at midnight,local time (which is actually about 15 minutes behind AEST).
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Almost. According to SkySafari for me Sirius transits at 1:22:50 AM, but I am on daylight saving and SA is half an hour out of its proper timezone anyway.

Happy New Year, however you count it.
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Old 01-01-2016, 11:27 AM
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Almost. According to SkySafari for me Sirius transits at 1:22:50 AM, but I am on daylight saving and SA is half an hour out of its proper timezone anyway.
Interesting. In Burnham's Celestial Handbook (Vol 1, P389) says about Sirius: " Midnight culmination, or date of opposition is January 1". So is SkySafari right or Burnham's Celestial Handbook? Or are there other factors at play?

I have seen somewhere, Sirius being referred to as the calendar star, but this seems to refer more to its appearance in ancient times marking the time when the Nile would often flood. My understanding is that the Julian Calender was introduced shortly by Caesar after the Roman invasion of Egypt so this may be when Sirius became an influence on the timing of our New Years Day.

To use Sirius as a permanent marker for our calendar would of course be problematic, as it is nearby and has a reasonably large proper motion, and there is also the affect of procession.

The Gregorian calendar came into effect less than 500 years ago, which if at all influenced by the timing of the opposition of Sirius, would mean that the affects of proper motion and procession would only be minor since then.

I am hoping that the collective knowledge of members of this forum can either help me join the dots between the timing of NYD and the opposition of Sirius or show that my idea is a bit of 'overreach'.
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Old 01-01-2016, 01:26 PM
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Is the New Year marked by Sirius being at its 'Noon' position at midnight. Is this just a coincidence or does the New Year actually commence with the brightest star being in its highest position at midnight?
Hi Bob,

Happy New Year.

The short answer is that the position of Sirius plays no part in the marking
of the New Year on the Gregorian Calendar.

Historically, various cultures have tended to use calendars based on either
solar cycles, lunar cycles or a combination of both.

In the West, calendars with their roots based on solar cycles have been the
predominant type in use for the last couple of thousand years.

What is known as the Tropical Year is the time it takes the Sun, as viewed
from the Earth, to return to the same point, for example from one
vernal equinox to the next.

The calendar that most of the world uses today is the Gregorian Calendar,
named after Pope Gregory XIII, which in turn was a tweaked revision of
the Julian Calendar, which was introduced by Julius Caesar in 46BC.

The design of the Julian calendar attempted to try and make a year close
to a Tropical Year.

When it was introduced, one of the reforms of the Julian Calendar was
an attempt to realign January 1 with a Tropical Year and to do this
they made the year 46BC 445 days along.

Even though they knew a Tropical Year was around 365.25 days and
even though the Julian Calendar has the concept of adding additional
days now and then to try and compensate - analogous to leap days -
they came about by decree rather than being always automatically taking
place.

Fast forward to 1582 and the Julian Calendar had got out of whack
with the Tropical Year to so much of an extent that it bothered the
Vatican.

They wanted Easter to take place close to the northern spring equinox
and they codified the insertion of leap years that we use today in what is
known as the Gregorian Calendar. Thus over time, Grergorian Calendar
days of the year no longer corresponded
with particular Julian Calendar days of the year.

In England, the Gregorian Calendar wasn't adopted until 1752.
There was what was known as the Calendar Act 1750 and to
bring the calendar inline two weeks were removed from the
month of September 1752. In England, between 1155 and 1762,
legally March 25th, what was known as Lady Day, marked the start of
the year but the Calendar Act made January 1 the start of the
year for legal purposes.

These days our time system is based on atomic clocks and the Gregorian
Calendar.

However, you can appreciate that owing to the various reforms to the
calendar over the last couple of thousand years and given the Earth's
precessional and nutational wobble that changes the apparent position
of the stars from year to year and given the stars apparent motion
since they are drifting through the galaxy, Sirius doesn't have anything
to do with timekeeping of calendars in use.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:06 PM
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Gary,

Thank you for your comprehensive and thoughtful answer.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:12 PM
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Me too!
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:57 PM
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Gary,

Thank you for your comprehensive and thoughtful answer.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Thanks Bob & Dean,

One of the other subtle phenomena I forget to mention was the Earth's rotational speed.

There is a body known as the International Earth Rotation and Reference
Service (IERS) that keeps tabs on the Earth's irregular rotational speed.
See http://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/Home/home_node.html

Now and then they advise on the insertion of an additional leap second
during the year. Though leap seconds could in theory both be added
or subtracted, in practice since we adopted atomic UTC time keeping in
1972, 26 have been inserted at various times. So the Earth's rotation
has been slowing in recent years. The most recent leap second
that was added took place in June 2015. There were 61 seconds in that
particular minute.

The idea of the leap second is to try and keep atomic time, UTC, within
0.9 of a second of mean solar time, what is designated as UT1.

In some sectors of human endeavour, the leap second has become a bit
of a nuisance. Consider computer networks or air traffic control systems
as a couple of examples.

Hence there has been debate in recent years as to whether to get rid of
them or not.

There was a session of the World Radiocommunication Conference held
last November in Geneva where they decided to put off
the decision about eliminating leaps second or not
until the next conference in 2023.

See http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/t...ad-as-it-seems

If the leap second gets dumped, then over time the instant of January
1 will drift further with respect the Earth's angular position to the Sun
and the background stars.
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Thanks for all that info Gary,very enlightening.
Cheers
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Old 10-01-2016, 03:47 AM
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Thank you Gary, what a great education .

And to you too Bob, I didn't know about Sirius being highest around midnight on Jan. 1st. I love the story of Sirius, how it came to be "The Dog Star" and how "Dog Day Afternoon" and "Dog Days of Summer" came about.
Ooooh, I was just re-reading one of my fav. articles on Sirius which I had bookmarked to pop the link here, and it says something about New Years Day!
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This helical rising is referred to in many temple inscriptions, where the star is known as the Divine Sepat, identified as the soul of Isis. In the temple of Isis-Hathor at Dedendrah, Egypt, appears the inscription, “Her majesty Isis shines into the temple on New Year’s Day, and she mingles her light with that of her father on the horizon.”
http://www.universetoday.com/19780/canis-major/


And there's some interesting info about its precession here:
http://www.universetoday.com/103894/...ays-of-summer/
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