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Old 18-08-2015, 10:26 AM
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3D Printing for Astro - is there a need for a Group / Forum on IIS?

I've done a bit of a browse through the IIS Forums searching for "3D Printing", and while a few threads pop up now and again (e.g. Meru's offer to print parts for people http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...hlight=printer , which I didn't want to hijack), it seems there is no underlying "base-load" of content.

I built myself a Mendel Prusa 3D printer a couple of years ago, and I've used it to make myself a few widgets (including a few astro-related ones - replacement dust caps, cable-clips, a solar finder, a Bahtinov Mask, and so on), and a few bits and pieces for friends and colleagues.

It seems to me that the general geekiness / camaraderie of the 3D Printing community and Amateur Astronomy are very compatible, and I can't help thinking there might be a lot of pent-up interest within the astro-community, but many people aren't sure what 3D printing can do (and in particular, what are the limitations in terms of size, strength, precision, etc), how to create the models they need, and how to justify the initial investment (which is falling all the time, by the way!)

I guess I'd like to just "throw it out there" that if anybody has any questions, I would be more than happy to try to answer them, or print a sample (with no guarantee of fitness-for-purpose express or implied!)

I've got pretty good CAD modelling skills, so as long as you can describe what it is you are thinking of, and as long as it can be built with the biggest component able to fit in a 150 mm cube approximately, I'd be prepared to have a look at it. Small "widget-sized" samples can generally be provided free of cost (especially if you are able to provide a 3D CAD model, or the model is quick and simple for me to create from your sketch), but I'd be looking for some compensation for "large" models, and / or the cost of consumables if the sample is "useful", or if the item needs a far bit of engineering / design, or if you are looking at a "production run".

(And I'm sure there are quite a few other 3D printer owners who would be of a like mind.)
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Old 18-08-2015, 11:50 AM
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Hi Julian
I will put my hand up.
I do not have one but certainly would love one.
My concerns are cost and if a mug like me could run one.
It will be interesting to see what interest is expressed.
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Old 18-08-2015, 12:54 PM
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Hi Julian
I will put my hand up.
I do not have one but certainly would love one.
My concerns are cost and if a mug like me could run one.
It will be interesting to see what interest is expressed.
For most people, getting their design ideas from their head to a paper sketch to a printable 3D CAD model is the biggest challenge. If what you want to make is a common design, there are several on-line "repositories" of ready-made model files to download - which is fine for your initial tinkering, but eventually, you'll want to create your own designs.

There are several free CAD modelling options available, which can be used to create your designs. My two recommendations are FreeCAD http://www.freecadweb.org/ and OnShape https://www.onshape.com/ . They're both free for hobby use, and can produce very accurate, printable models. If you've ever used any 2D or 3D CAD system, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting up to speed.

Alternatively, if you CAD skills aren't up to it, if you can find a friend or colleague with basic 3D CAD skills, they will probably be able to create your model files for you. Basic "Mechanical" parts are usually not too hard to model, as they tend to consist of combinations of prisms, cylinders, etc, which you can add together to make more complex objects, or cut away from each other to make cut-outs and holes. "Artistic" free-form designs tend to need a different "clay modelling" CAD system, and can be a lot more challenging if you are not very artistic (like me!)

The industry standard which pretty well all 3D CAD packages output are STL files, which the 3D printer software can convert into machine-code instructions. Once you have your 3D printer set-up well, printing 3D models isn't much trickier than printing a paper document - select the model file, set your printer settings, and press "Print". (It does take a bit longer to print a small model than a 10-page document though - my printer will knock out a hollow part that is about 50 mm x 50 mm x 50 mm in around 30 minutes to an hour, depending on how much plastic is in the model. By and large, print speed is dictated by the amount of plastic required, rather than the overall dimensions, or the complexity of the geometry.)

As for the cost of a 3D printer - as in most things, the more you pay, the more you get (generally). You can buy consumer-grade ready-to-run 3D printers at Harvey Norman and OfficeWorks for around $1,000 these days, so they are starting to enter the real consumer marketplace. That may still be a bit of a big risk if you're not sure what it can do, or whether you will be able to use it effectively. You can get smaller 3D printers for MUCH less if you shop around - e.g. how about the TinyBoy which you can get ready-to-run for around AU$330 (including delivery): http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_AU_230V.html This thing only has a build volume of 80 mm x 80 mm x 80 mm, so it can only make objects that you can hold comfortably in one hand, but it's a very affordable introduction to the hobby.

If you have something in mind that you'd like to see printed, let me know, and I'll see what we can do. (Happy to carry on this conversation in this thread to share ideas with a wider audience, or we can go of-line if you prefer - PM me if you wish.)
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Old 18-08-2015, 04:21 PM
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Thanks for that I found all very helpful.
Once I seemed to invent a lot of things which one would have to build in model form.
So printing in 3d would be very helpful
However I don't have anything in mind other than a boat which would be best done in wood.
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Old 18-08-2015, 04:38 PM
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However I don't have anything in mind other than a boat which would be best done in wood.
If you're after a boat that you can get in and sail away from it all - well, that's a bit beyond the capabilities of my little desktop 3D printer!

But if you're after a "desktop toy", maybe I can help you out - the attached photo is an early "calibration test" model, to check the accuracy and alignment of the printer - the sails are so thin that they're translucent.

(And if you really want it made of wood - well, you can even get plastic filament stock that is filled with wood, metal or stone, to give a non-plastic look to your finished parts:
https://www.bilby3d.com.au/Filament.asp#Specialty
- I haven't tried any of these speciality filaments yet - all of my models are vivid day-glo colours so far.)
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Old 18-08-2015, 07:00 PM
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Such a forum would have my support. Ask the Boss.
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Briefly the concept is a catamaran where the hull supports are wing like such that the derived lift should reduce water drag.
I just want to take the world speed record for sail..
It would be very expensive to test the idea even at a model level.
I find if I wait long enough someone does what I have in mind which shows the idea was good which is all I want to know.
The cat has not been done as far as I know.
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Old 19-08-2015, 02:36 PM
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I think such a forum would also be useful for exchanging astro equipment related stl files. I have created a few models that I would be happy to share. For example, just the other day I made a dew shield with integrated heating for a Canon G1X.
I would also be happy to help those who don't yet have a printer.

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Old 19-08-2015, 02:48 PM
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I think such a forum would also be useful for exchanging astro equipment related stl files. I have created a few models that I would be happy to share. For example, just the other day I made a dew shield with integrated heating for a Canon G1X.
I would also be happy to help those who don't yet have a printer.

Stefan
+1

To get the ball rolling - here's a Solar Finder that I designed and printed to solar-align my 5SE. It clips onto the front "hood" of the standard Celestron Red Dot Finder, so you don't need to unmount your night-time finder to use it. It would be easy to modify the clip diameter to fit onto a different sized red dot finder, conventional finder-scope, etc.

(My printer needs a bit of a tune-up, so the print is a bit "daggy", but it works perfectly well. I won't post a photo just yet, until I get my machine re-tuned, because it might put people off, sending a false impression about what 3D printers can do!)

I've been hosting my shareable models on Thingiverse http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:972686 , but I'd be more than happy to post copies on IIS, if the moderators are happy to take STL files.

(Also happy to have a crack at designing / printing things for people who don't have access to a 3D printer.)
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