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Old 22-12-2014, 09:01 AM
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Advice on Drones?

Hey all

I'm looking for some advice on drones..

Different types? Costs? Pro/cons?

The type of cameras on them? Better or worse than my GoPro? Can I attach my GoPro to them? Attach my DSLR? I guess the cost would be getting up there, to support a DSLR+lens.

Thinking of getting one for my 40th birthday in just over a month, so doing some research
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Old 22-12-2014, 09:10 AM
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Are you going to use it in your back yard and fly over your suburb? If you are, you may be in breach of privacy laws by filming people in their back yards doing whatever it is that they do. Might be worth looking into.
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Old 22-12-2014, 09:13 AM
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haha not interested in back yards More for out at the beach etc
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Old 22-12-2014, 09:27 AM
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I think these would be ideal for waterfall photos.
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Old 22-12-2014, 10:30 AM
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Have a look at the latest Parrot built in camera programmable flight path I recall.
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Old 22-12-2014, 10:52 AM
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Here are reviews of 3 different drones. One has 4K video which is fast becoming a standard in video on some brands of cameras:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/850...ideo-recording

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/650...n-drone-review

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/066...x10-quadcopter

There are some impressive You Tube demonstrations of these drones. There is one of drone racing done around a circuit with trees etc.
a circuit.

Some have a home setting where the drone will come back to a home location with the press of a button. First person view would also be handy as if its up too high or far away you would still be able to control it easily and it would give a great birds eye view of the surrounds. I'd say a LOT of fun and potentially some great photo opportunities.

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Old 22-12-2014, 12:23 PM
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They have been talking about building drones, the parts, flying etc over on the Know How program http://twit.tv/show/know-how for a number of weeks now. Worth a look if your interested in that path.
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Old 22-12-2014, 12:42 PM
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I've been eyeing out the DJI Phantom 2 Vision+ Drone.
Very impressive specs.
I bought my son a Parrot AR Drone 2.0 last year and they are FUN FUN FUN !
He can control it with his iPod or my iPhone/iPad.

Now I'm hooked and I'd like something with a bit more grunt with better flight and camera abilities.

The DJI Phantom 2 Vision+ is at the top of my list.

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Old 22-12-2014, 12:54 PM
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you can fit a go pro to some models -eg the walkera drones -the lower end DJI tend to come equipped with a built-in non-removable webcam

the DJI that can carry a slr are starting around the 4K upto about 8K
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Old 22-12-2014, 01:20 PM
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Just bear in mind that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) can and does enforce aviation laws which prohibit flying drones over buildings or people (I know most folk ignore this, but as soon as there is a serious incident involving drones and people, they'll start enforcing the existing laws - and probably add some new ones).

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im looking at buying one as well and had this in mind

http://www.parrot.com/au/products/bebop-drone/

has some really cool features and price is reasonable
option to interface with an oculus rift

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Old 22-12-2014, 02:30 PM
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Here are reviews of 3 different drones. One has 4K video which is fast becoming a standard in video on some brands of cameras:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/850...ideo-recording

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/650...n-drone-review

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/066...x10-quadcopter

There are some impressive You Tube demonstrations of these drones. There is one of drone racing done around a circuit with trees etc.
a circuit.

Some have a home setting where the drone will come back to a home location with the press of a button. First person view would also be handy as if its up too high or far away you would still be able to control it easily and it would give a great birds eye view of the surrounds. I'd say a LOT of fun and potentially some great photo opportunities.

Greg.
Thanks - the Vision+ looks great as does the Adorama one, but both are likely to be out of my price range.

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I've been eyeing out the DJI Phantom 2 Vision+ Drone.
Very impressive specs.
I bought my son a Parrot AR Drone 2.0 last year and they are FUN FUN FUN !
He can control it with his iPod or my iPhone/iPad.

Now I'm hooked and I'd like something with a bit more grunt with better flight and camera abilities.

The DJI Phantom 2 Vision+ is at the top of my list.

The Parrot AR Drone 2.0 is within my price range. The Vision+ looks great but is more than I wanted to spend right now.
They do look awesome! Will have to chat about your experiences!


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They have been talking about building drones, the parts, flying etc over on the Know How program http://twit.tv/show/know-how for a number of weeks now. Worth a look if your interested in that path.
Thanks but I'm not much into the DIY side of things these days. Just want something that works out of the box

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im looking at buying one as well and had this in mind

http://www.parrot.com/au/products/bebop-drone/

has some really cool features and price is reasonable
option to interface with an oculus rift

Cheers
Alistair
Thanks that one does look pretty good, and is within the price range ~$700.
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Old 22-12-2014, 04:00 PM
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If I had $700 and wanted a quad to attach a GoPro to it would have to be the DJI Phantom 1 or a Walkera x350, both of which come with a GoPro mount at that price (not a gimbaled one though). Of course a Phantom 2 would be a bit nicer but not at that price.

The DJI Inspire 1 looks awesome for a mid-range quad, my work has preordered one and I'm booked in for my CASA Remote Pilot Cert on it in a couple of weeks, can't wait!

It's alarming how many people break the rules, and even worse when they do it commercially without certification, and as Dean said it'll just take one nasty accident and CASA will crack down. I have heard that CASA do notice clips on YouTube of people flying RPAs where they shouldn't be!

These are the main rules (Can't find the CASA pdf right now so these are copied from here: http://www.rpastraining.com.au/casr-...gal-or-illegal)
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  • You may NOT fly closer than 30m to vehicles, boats, buildings that are not on YOUR private property or you must have explicit permission from the private property owner.
  • You are NOT allowed to fly over any populated areas such as beaches, other people’s backyards, heavily populated parks or sports ovals where there is a game on.
  • You may NOT operate within a RADIUS of 5.5km of any aerodrome, airfield, airport, seaplanes taking off or landing, helicopter landing sites which may be located at hospitals, police stations or other locations that you may not be aware of. It is YOUR responsibility to find out where they are and ignorance is no defense in the court of law. (Have a look at our app RPAS LOGGER which shows you almost all these locations around Australia)
  • You may ONLY operate during DAYLIGHT – NO night flying! Only in good weather and you MUST be in visual-line-of-site of the Remotely Piloted Aircraft – RPA.
  • You may NOT fly above 400ft (123m)
  • You may NOT fly FPV !!
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Old 22-12-2014, 04:04 PM
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Hi Mike. Drones UAV whatever you want to call them all fall directly under the CASA flight regulations and as such you do have to be a little careful what you do with them. That aside there are quite a few good manufacturers of drones but more so the control system to make them fly. If you want something ultra stable and a reasonable working platform DJI Inovations make some great gear but again the high end stuff is pricey. http://www.multiwiicopter.com/ this is the web site of a gent called Quinton Marious in QLD, he sells some really nice stuff and will almost certainly tell you not to go with DJI at all. Believe me the controllers are very good and make the learning curve much easier than some of the others and of course he will sell you a DJI if you want one.
Remember how heavy your DSLR is and that along with the weight of a nice gimbal requires some real horsepower. A gopro on the other hand is quite light.

Points you need to think about:
if a motor fails, 4 motors ,it crashes, 6 motors, you might be able to land if you are lucky. 8 motors and it will still fly, not very well but it is still flyable.
Flight time is all important, you have to be able to fly back from wherever you fly too.
You will probably want to step up to FPV and this can be a very quick jump so get a multi with some spare horses.
Buy it as a kit and put it together yourself and if you buy one already built strip it down and go over every screw as one loose screw can cost you a lot.
Spend a bit of time just learning to fly it in a football ground or similar until movements are second nature.

Have fun. I have built a few, crashed a few and videoed with quite a few and the only way to get good at taking Pix is practice and maintenance.

Another place worth looking at is www.hobbyking.com as they sell quite a few RTF models. The Quanum is one that rates quite well and I suspect the Walkera is also pretty good. As I said I quite like the DJI Phantom as a no fuss platform.
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And if you can wait a bit this is the one I'm looking to buy for my Iceland trip in 6 months:
http://www.thepocketdrone.com/
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I bought a 6 rotor quad from Jaycar.
It is capable of lifting four go pros and has two remote switches for cameras etc.
There is a minicam for it that is 1080p for90 dollars which fits on a special bracket.
copter costs 200 dollars picof it sitting on a neq6pro tripod
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Someone got fined in Vic, broke at least 3 laws related to drones.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-1...g-with/5977594
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Old 22-12-2014, 07:56 PM
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Here is a link to the regulations. http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dl...D::pc=PC_91039
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Old 22-12-2014, 09:29 PM
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The Parrot AR Drone 2.0 is within my price range. The Vision+ looks great but is more than I wanted to spend right now.
They do look awesome! Will have to chat about your experiences!
I would've bought one for myself but I just use my son's one instead.
They are so much fun, he's become an expert at it.
I think you'll like it Mike.

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Old 23-12-2014, 12:37 AM
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I've been having great fun with a Blade 350 QX2 (now QX3). Wonderful toys on holiday for making interesting memories and always a great talking point. I had a very pleasant afternoon with Hagar flying together a few months ago

Like all hobbies, they hemorrhage money and you really need to factor in several spare batteries at a minimum.

DJI Phantoms still rule the roost for AP (Aerial Photography) but i chose blade because they were available at my LHS (Local Hobby Shop) - Yes there is even more lingo than the astro community!

Jenchris - if you unscrew your drone from the protective foam shell, you will find that it flies even better and longer - jutst watch those blades!

Here's a holiday vid taken with a fairly ordinary go-pro clone:
First up, Moonee Beach with Doug and an out of focus Camera!

http://youtu.be/MM0DRs4nSpo

Secondly down at Trial Bay Gaol. We arrived after closing time which is the best time for filming (this time with the camera focused)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcHM6NX8vdg
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