F1 power train for 2014

astroron (Ron) · #1 03-12-2013, 11:16 PM

New engines and designs for 2014
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
Cheers

Astro_Bot · #2 04-12-2013, 01:29 AM

Interesting stuff. Can't wait for the new season.

Thanks for posting.

ourkind (Carlos) · #3 04-12-2013, 01:59 AM

Wow that's certainly throwing a spanner in the works. I wonder who's going to build the most reliable and quickest car?

As far as looks are concerned, there's no such thing as an ugly F1 car. looking forward to seeing the 1st releases.

Cheers for sharing Ron

goober (Doug) · #4 04-12-2013, 08:44 AM

Yes, this season has been a bit "weird" as it's hard to tell who stopped development on the '13 cars to fully concentrate on the '14 changes.

Expect some engine failures in the first few races, as the reliability issues are worked out!

multiweb (Marc) · #5 04-12-2013, 09:25 AM

Fascinating. Wonder how this will affect races.

astroron (Ron) · #6 04-12-2013, 10:00 AM

I expect for quite a few cars spluttering to a stop in the first few races.
Also the minor teams are going to find it even harder to compete against the factory teams and of course Red Bull.
Cheers

gary · #7 04-12-2013, 10:01 AM

Hi Ron,

Thank you very much for the link.

For interested readers, Renault have this 27 page press kit on their 2014 F1 power
unit which they designate as "Energy F1-2014".

http://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf/...-en_final2.pdf

Development of it began in June of 2011 but the first race-intent unit only ran
on a dyno in June 2013 and is scheduled to be fitted to a car in early January 2014.

I can't imagine these people will be taking much time off over Christmas.

The development costs must be extraordinary. However, to try and keep this
under control, the FIA is planning a staged freeze on engine development through
to 2019. For example, by 2015, 8% of the power train components by weight
will be frozen and by 2019, 95%.

scagman (John) · #8 04-12-2013, 10:13 AM

The new fuel limits seem very restrictive. They can use upto 100kg per race at upto 100kg/hr. Most races run for 1.5hrs approx. So that would limit their fuel usage to about 65kg/hr. Or only half throttle.

Also could someone explain to me how kers/ers makes the car go faster.
I understand Kers charges a battery from energy recovered during braking. But F1 cars aren't powered by electricty but combustion. So how does electricy make a combustion engine produce more power.
I have been watching F! for about 30yrs and probably not missed a race, but just havn't been able to understand how this works.

Cheers

gary · #9 04-12-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scagman

Also could someone explain to me how kers/ers makes the car go faster.
I understand Kers charges a battery from energy recovered during braking. But F1 cars aren't powered by electricty but combustion. So how does electricy make a combustion engine produce more power.
I have been watching F! for about 30yrs and probably not missed a race, but just havn't been able to understand how this works.

Cheers

Hi John,

This video by Magneti Marelli might help. The electric motor-generator is connected
directly to the drive shaft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4WSvO4VX_o

As mentioned here - http://www.magnetimarelli.com/excell...cellences/kers - the 2014 ERS system will recover energy not just
from braking, but also energy from the exhaust gases.

scagman (John) · #10 04-12-2013, 11:22 AM

Hi Gary,
Thanks for that. All clear now.

Cheers

INeedMySpace (Neville) · #11 04-12-2013, 12:49 PM

Very clever to use wasted exhaust gas from turbine to create electricity. This is exciting new technology hopefully will make its way into cars in the near future.

multiweb (Marc) · #12 10-12-2013, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gary

Hi John,

This video by Magneti Marelli might help. The electric motor-generator is connected
directly to the drive shaft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4WSvO4VX_o

As mentioned here - http://www.magnetimarelli.com/excell...cellences/kers - the 2014 ERS system will recover energy not just
from braking, but also energy from the exhaust gases.

This is so cool.

Steffen · #13 10-12-2013, 11:15 AM

Yes, that's interesting. Mind you, Toyota reckons the F1 KERS is five years behind the technology they have in the Prius, but I'm not sure those can be easily compared (somewhat different torque and power throughput).

The exhaust gas energy recovery is interesting, too, but don't they already have the turbo for that? Unless of course they inject some ions and run some kind of MHD generator there

That said, the turbo can only feed the energy back at the time it is extracted, the electric detour allows it to be stored for later.

Cheers
Steffen.

goober (Doug) · #14 10-12-2013, 12:02 PM

So, double points for the last race in 2014. Words fail me...

astroron (Ron) · #15 10-12-2013, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goober

So, double points for the last race in 2014. Words fail me...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25310466

Bernie,want's to keep the interest up so as he can get more dollars.
It is No good the season is over four or five races from the end.
I was listening to the commentators trying their best to make what was, if it was Davis Cup Tennis, four dead rubbers interesting.
I think a big % of the teams had already stopped investing in the 2013 car months ago, and were putting in the minimum effort for nearly half a season.
Red Bull was so dommanent as it has been for the last few years,that the other teams can't wait for 2014, to start on a completely new car and format.
Bring on 2014.
Cheers

scagman (John) · #16 10-12-2013, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goober

So, double points for the last race in 2014. Words fail me...

Wouldn't have made much differance to the results for the last 2 seasons.
Maybe they should just give all drivers/teams double points all season and give Vettel/RB 1/2 points. May make a differance. Or make him start from the back of the grid so He has something to do.

Cheers

goober (Doug) · #17 10-12-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scagman

Wouldn't have made much differance to the results for the last 2 seasons.
Maybe they should just give all drivers/teams double points all season and give Vettel/RB 1/2 points. May make a differance. Or make him start from the back of the grid so He has something to do.

Cheers

Not a bad idea... Vettel did beat Mercedes, Ferrari, Lotus, Maclaren (and so on) all by himself.

If they do want to spice it up, award some points for qualifying, or reverse the grid, or something.

astroron (Ron) · #18 11-12-2013, 11:31 AM

I have to agree with Sebastian Vettel when he says the awarding of double points for the last race is both ludecrus and unfair.
It can undo all the work a team has put in over the year
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25324100
Cheers

Larryp (Laurie) · #19 11-12-2013, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astroron

I have to agree with Sebastian Vettel when he says the awarding of double points for the last race is both ludecrus and unfair.
It can undo all the work a team has put in over the year
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25324100
Cheers

Agreed, Ron. It could allow the second best performing driver to win the title

astroron (Ron) · #20 11-12-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larryp

Agreed, Ron. It could allow the second best performing driver to win the title

Larry, IMHO Alonso did not do enough to warrant winning the title,for that matter none of the other drivers did either.
As much as I did want someone else to win the title,Vettel the true champion won it.
Cheers