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Old 28-10-2013, 12:55 PM
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Old 28-10-2013, 02:51 PM
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I was looking at cars with my wife a couple of years ago and the youngish sales person suggested that she could set up the Bluetooth pairing for our mobile phones because "my generation understand technology." I pointed out that our generation actually designed and built the devices she was talking about. In the end she couldn't get it to work. I don't think her generation know how to RTFM
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Old 28-10-2013, 03:00 PM
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Says it all really?
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Old 28-10-2013, 03:15 PM
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I was looking at cars with my wife a couple of years ago and the youngish sales person suggested that she could set up the Bluetooth pairing for our mobile phones because "my generation understand technology." I pointed out that our generation actually designed and built the devices she was talking about. In the end she couldn't get it to work. I don't think her generation know how to RTFM
I am thinking that most of our generation didn't usually need to read the manual, we could usually figure it out all by ourselves, at least I usually could, most of the time. Maybe that it that we designed things to be fairly simple and intuitive.

The new generation make things so friggin' complicated that things are getting less intuitive. Case in point, had a couple of IISer's (Brian Nordstrom and Simmo) to my place on Saturday night (it was great meeting them, nice guys ) and I was setting up my new EQ6 AZ GT mount, which I hadn't used before now, and I couldn't get it to do an align, which was a little embarrassing. Brian, who is a really smart bloke, also tried and he couldn't get to align either. Because of all the software issues with these mounts, we came to the conclusion it was a software problem. I eventually figured it out next day when I decided to read the manual, which was quite complicated. It simply isn't intuitive. When I set my Celestron Nexstar up, for the first time, I didn't ever read the manual, it just worked!

Yes, I well realise that technology is more complicated now, but then, so were a lot of things in my time (I turn 60 on the 1st January). But, I rarely ever had to refer to manual, at least, in the first instance, and always managed to get things to work. ONLY, when all else failed, did we have to RTFM!
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Old 28-10-2013, 04:08 PM
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Peter,

RTFM is a last resort for me too Unfortunately, there are so many bad user interfaces around that it's a necessary evil at times.

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Old 28-10-2013, 05:29 PM
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Given the quality of English in manuals these days I don't consider the F in RTFM has the same meaning it used to.

It appears the time when it became necessary to reading the manual coincided with manuals becoming illegible.
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Old 28-10-2013, 08:18 PM
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CHINGLISH ? yes its horrible . It stumps the oldest of us.
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Given the quality of English in manuals these days I don't consider the F in RTFM has the same meaning it used to.

It appears the time when it became necessary to reading the manual coincided with manuals becoming illegible.
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Old 28-10-2013, 09:38 PM
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Thanks Peter , but is is not RTFM ,
its 'IAEFRTFM' .

At least your LB 16 inch performed along with Simmos lovely 10 inch SW ,
Great night and thanks for the hospitality mate .
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I am thinking that most of our generation didn't usually need to read the manual, we could usually figure it out all by ourselves, at least I usually could, most of the time. Maybe that it that we designed things to be fairly simple and intuitive.

The new generation make things so friggin' complicated that things are getting less intuitive. Case in point, had a couple of IISer's (Brian Nordstrom and Simmo) to my place on Saturday night (it was great meeting them, nice guys ) and I was setting up my new EQ6 AZ GT mount, which I hadn't used before now, and I couldn't get it to do an align, which was a little embarrassing. Brian, who is a really smart bloke, also tried and he couldn't get to align either. Because of all the software issues with these mounts, we came to the conclusion it was a software problem. I eventually figured it out next day when I decided to read the manual, which was quite complicated. It simply isn't intuitive. When I set my Celestron Nexstar up, for the first time, I didn't ever read the manual, it just worked!

Yes, I well realise that technology is more complicated now, but then, so were a lot of things in my time (I turn 60 on the 1st January). But, I rarely ever had to refer to manual, at least, in the first instance, and always managed to get things to work. ONLY, when all else failed, did we have to RTFM!
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Old 29-10-2013, 12:19 AM
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Peter using your 3.5mm Delos ( sweet eyepiece) , my 2x Power mate and Istar sunday night in Perth , we were at 571x looking for Antares companion , green it was , but no mate it was seen easier at 333x using my Radian 3mm , wasn't it . .
Senior moment for sure , back to the basics . Visual only .
Young people today .
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Old 29-10-2013, 12:51 AM
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Peter using your 3.5mm Delos ( sweet eyepiece) , my 2x Power mate and Istar sunday night in Perth , we were at 571x looking for Antares companion , green it was , but no mate it was seen easier at 333x using my Radian 3mm , wasn't it . .
Senior moment for sure , back to the basics . Visual only .
Young people today .
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That's right Brian, it isn't all about magnification.

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