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Old 06-06-2006, 03:05 PM
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I've ordered it! DMK21AF04

Yay

I've placed the order for the DMK21AF04 mono camera. Hopefully it will be here in the next 2 weeks or so.

Next:
- Firewire PCMCIA card (within the next 2 weeks)
- Manual filter wheel + tricolor filters (when budget allows)

I am *not* selling my Pentax 7mm XW or my 14mm Meade s4000 UWA to fund any more imaging gear

Don't know if i'll have it up and running in time to do much with Jupiter this apparition, but Saturn will be around again soon, and then there's always the chance to get reacquainted with the moon.

Can't wait to try it out.
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:36 PM
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what so now the toucam now goes into the cupboard or gets sold?

Congrats
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Old 06-06-2006, 04:30 PM
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Congrats Mike....I love new toys.

Should be a nice camera.
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Old 06-06-2006, 04:56 PM
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Mike, thats great news, how the hell to you guys afford your toys.
I wonder how long it will take you to make the move to an Equatorial Mount.

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Old 06-06-2006, 05:46 PM
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I am happy for you Mike,

so long as you share the results.

Noticed you are getting the manual filter wheel, if it is the Atik which looks like it has a toothed wheel that you turn by hand; may be able to mount a small geared motor onto it to convert to electric. Just a thought.
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Old 06-06-2006, 05:57 PM
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Excellent news Mike.
Can't wait to see some images.

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Old 06-06-2006, 06:26 PM
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Mike, thats great news, how the hell to you guys afford your toys
I sold 2 very nice eyepieces

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Noticed you are getting the manual filter wheel, if it is the Atik which looks like it has a toothed wheel that you turn by hand; may be able to mount a small geared motor onto it to convert to electric. Just a thought.
Thanks Lester, I'm definitely considering the Atik at US$199. I just can't afford US$500 for a motorised wheel.
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Old 06-06-2006, 07:27 PM
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awesome mike, cant wait also. I am off to a aluminium fabricator in next few days and will be discussing a new tube, peltier cooling base and peripherals like filter wheels built in.

I reckon imaging in b/w will still be great!
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:04 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does this new thingo do, Mike, that makes it so much better than your ToUcam?
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:29 AM
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Higher sensitivity (cause it's monochrome)
Faster framerate
Uncompressed data

So it should be able to get better images in poorer seeing, and when the seeing IS good, you can make the most of it!
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Old 10-06-2006, 06:36 AM
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Congratulations and good luck with your new toy...I have no idea what it is or any of the associated lingo but it "sounds" cool!
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Old 10-06-2006, 08:53 AM
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It's very very cool.
Can't wait to have a look at it and at the results Mike can get with it.

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Old 10-06-2006, 03:38 PM
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So it should be able to get better images in poorer seeing, and when the seeing IS good, you can make the most of it!
We'll be expecting BIG things then Mike. Just be careful though that you don't make Hubble entirely redundant. We want that reservicing mission to go ahead, you know....
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Old 10-06-2006, 03:58 PM
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Mike can you post a link to the camera specs. I've done a google but get very little (except your post on CN)
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Old 10-06-2006, 04:56 PM
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This is the one, Paul.

DMK21AF04
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:02 PM
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First time I have seen one Mike...I like the color...are you going to get any lenses or just the camera....looks neat.
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:15 PM
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Thanks Mike...I've certainly bookmarked that site. I like some of those colour ones as well Tony.
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:43 PM
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Just the camera. I need to get a manual filter wheel and some colour filters for planetary work.

You can get an EOS adapter and hook my Canon lenses up to them too, apparently.

If money is no object, you can get the 1280x1024 resolution ones too.
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Old 11-06-2006, 09:42 PM
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Hi Mike

Interested in why you have chosen this particular CCD camera, what were the main selling points in your opinion?

Cheers Petra
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Old 14-06-2006, 11:25 AM
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Hi petra, sorry for the late reply.

There are a couple of options if you want a better-than-ToUcam webcam for planetary work.

- DMK21AF04 colour or mono
- Lumenera 075 colour or mono
- Point Grey Research Flea2 colour or mono
- Point Grey Research Dragon Fly Express mono

They are all better than the ToUcam, due to being fast framerate, uncompressed data transfer, and sensitive CCD chips.

The mono versions are better than the colour versions, due to increased resolution on each colour channel. With a colour chip, you're only getting 1/3 of the 640x480 resolution on each channel. With a mono chip using R/G/B filters, you're getting the full resolution in each channel.

Of course it comes at the expensive of convenience. A colour chip means you capture once and process. A mono chip means you need a filter wheel (motorised or manual) as well as R/G/B filters, neither of which are cheap. You also have to capture 3 times for the one image - once with each filter. So time is against you.

3 times the processing as well, to make up the resulting colour image.

I chose the DMK due to cost - it's US$490 for the mono and about the same for the colour. I chose the mono. The Lumenera's come in at least twice that amount, but they are 12-bit cameras whereas the DMK is still only 8-bit.

The PtGrey Flea2 cameras are also good, 12-bit like the Lumenera, but still US$300 more expensive than the DMK. I was wanting to get the Flea2, but couldn't afford the extra, especially since i have to buy a filter wheel (I'm getting a manual one for now) plus colour filters.

If money was no object, I'd probably get the Lu mono (like Damian Peach and others use) or the DragonFly Express (like Bird uses) or the Flea2.

But you have to justify to yourself that the cost of the camera is going to be more than the cost of your scope.. at least in my case
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