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Old 14-08-2006, 04:19 PM
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eyepieces in an f/4 Newt

Recently I spent a few weeks observing with an 8" f/4 Newt under northern skies. Just thought I'd briefly share share my experiences with eyepieces for DSO observing in this very demanding (i.e. fast) scope.

10mm Pentax XW was suited perfectly to the scope. Amazingly sharp stars edge to edge. (NB. I don't make such a claim lightly. I really mean it!). Excellent on all but the largest DSOs that need lower powers. All the good things you've read about the performance of the 10mm XW in f/5 Dobs (and slower scopes) are equally true at f/4. Best all-rounder DSO EP in the 8" f/4.

8.5mm Pentax XF was virtually as good as the 10mm XW with just the slightest bit of softening (field curvature) towards the edge of field. I have to emphasise this FC is very slight indeed (nothing like the 14mm XW even at f/6 for example), and normally goes unnoticed. Brilliant contrast. This EP was the best one for observing galaxies and planetary nebulae in the f/4 Newt, revealing slightly more detail than the 10mm XW.

19mm Panoptic showed some astigmatism (or Newt's coma?) and softening near edge of field and was difficult to use with stars flaring when eye placement is not just right. Newbies found it difficult if not impossible to focus the scope and get a good view through the 19mm Pano. This improved though with practice/coaching. Main use of this EP was to inspect dust lanes of Andromeda and the Veil (with neb filter). I'll probably leave it at home next time.

26mm Meade 5000 modified Plossl (with 60-degree FOV) was easier to use than the Pano but a bit softer and at least as seagull (or coma?) infested near the edge of field. Still a very usable finder (with a FOV near the max possible with 1.25" focuser) and was nice on large objects like Andromeda and the Veil. Less than perfect edge performance a bit annoying on rich star fields/objects, e.g., double cluster. Exit pupil is about as large as I'd want to go at f/4. Barlowed to about 14.4mm effective focal length in the TV 1.8x, edge aberration are minimised, and the EP becomes a very good low-mid-power DSO EP.

14mm Pentax XW stayed at home because I already found the field curvature of the combination with f/4 Newt unacceptably strong. The outer 20 or so degrees (out of 70) are strongly blurred when centre is in focus.

To reiterate my main conclusions ... Pentax XW 10mm and XF 8.5mm are practically perfect DSO EPs for an f/4 Newt. These two impressed beyond all expectations.
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Old 14-08-2006, 04:48 PM
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80x magnification is what i use most on DSOs too.
thanks for the info steve.
i take it you are back? hows things up there (or are we on top )... have fun?
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Old 14-08-2006, 04:52 PM
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Excellent report Steve and Im sure that many will find your observations useful
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Old 14-08-2006, 05:02 PM
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80x magnification is what i use most on DSOs too.
thanks for the info steve.
i take it you are back? hows things up there (or are we on top )... have fun?
Yes David, I'm back in Melbourne. Thanks for asking. I posted briefly about my northern sky adventures here on IIS and also on here on CN.

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Old 15-08-2006, 07:52 AM
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Would a 250mm f5 GSO dob collect enough light to fully utilise an expensive EP like the 10mm XW?
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Old 15-08-2006, 07:59 AM
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My 200mm/F5 Newt gives tack sharp with an XW-10 to the edge. In a 250mm it could only get brighter! I think, as Steve mentioned, the 10 works well in an F4!
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Old 15-08-2006, 11:38 AM
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Ditto - my 200mm f/6 Newt does similarly with the XW-10..... you shouldn't have a problem mate.
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Old 15-08-2006, 12:29 PM
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Yes David, I'm back in Melbourne. Thanks for asking. I posted briefly about my northern sky adventures here on IIS and also on here on CN.
yeah its funny.... i remember the days that i used to be able to view every thread made on this forum, and it wasnt that long ago
these days i get to read about 30% of them. this has become quite a busy forum. i still manage to keep my post count up somehow tho
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Old 15-08-2006, 01:30 PM
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Steve
Would a 250mm f5 GSO dob collect enough light to fully utilise an expensive EP like the 10mm XW?
I am not sure about what you're asking ito "the amount of light", but the 10mm XW is well worth the investment for that scope. IMO it is the ideal DSO eyepiece for an f/5 scope from smallest apertures up to 300mm (12") or more. (Of course, once you get into monster Dob territory, say 20" or more, then the long focal length (FL) of the scope might require a longer FL EP to keep the apparent FOV large enough to see many DSOs.)
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Old 17-08-2006, 08:12 AM
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I am not sure about what you're asking ito "the amount of light", but the 10mm XW is well worth the investment for that scope.
What I'm worried about is would that power still be useable for nebulas and other subtle objects.
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Old 17-08-2006, 12:27 PM
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Absolutely. My 10mm Pentax XW is easily my most used eyepiece in my 10"/F5 GSO dob. It accounts for over 70% of focuser time when observing DSO's. It is the perfect DSO eyepiece for your scope and it gets no better at this focal length, Naglers included.

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Old 17-08-2006, 07:42 PM
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Thanks
All I've got to do now is save the money and buy the EP without SWMBO finding out
I'm going to Cambroon this weekend and so are quite a few others. Hopefully some of them will let me try their super duper EPs
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