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Old 06-12-2012, 02:20 PM
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First of all may i apologise to all in perth as i have bought a telescope and as such has been cloudy for the past few days

Anyway first of all a bit of background i used to do a bit of basic astrophotography long before moving to oz from the uk but found light pollution to be a major problem/put off. Anyway I recently bought a WO Megrez 72mm FD and found an neq6 pro going cheap so bought that knowing i can upgrade as i get back into it. For starters i just want to do wideish field unguided long exposures to get a feel for the current software and techniques and slowly add more euipment as i feel i need to (thinking bigger scope + guider then full ccd camera at the moment).

So first things first i am going to need power. I plan on travelling just to get away from perths centre so i need portable power. My current thinking if getting a deep cycle battery and putting it in an enclosure and wiring some fused 12v cigarette lighter plugs off it. Currently i would need one for the mount and one for the laptop. How does that sound?

Second thing just to get started would be a T-adapter for my 60d and a field flattener. T-adapters and pretty standard but it is the field flattener that is the problem. I was looking at getting the Hotech SCA field flattener but everywhere looks to be out of stock i have seen the Orion field flattener on Bintels website would this be ok?

Thirdly using the laptop to guide the mount. I know about the eqmod and have been doing a lot of reading do i need this
http://www.bintel.com.au/Mounts---Tr...oductview.aspx
To run the mount and get all the features or does it really depend on the version of my mount (i have 3.25 on the controller)?

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:39 AM
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:17 AM
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Hi Paul and welcome to IIS and Perth. I'm happy to help out as much as I can.
I use a deep cycle battery and a sine wave inverter to power laptops, mounts and cameras. What you're describing is a great idea- but I get by fine with the usual collection of alligator clips and sockets.
With the WO I would have thought a guide scope and camera were essential? Otherwise there's not much need for the laptop if the mount is just tracking.
If you're looking for a reasonable dark sky site only 90 mins from Perth PM me, and keep next Friday free.
I suspect from your username that we may be in the same industry...
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:02 PM
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Hi Paul and welcome to IIS and Perth. I'm happy to help out as much as I can.
I use a deep cycle battery and a sine wave inverter to power laptops, mounts and cameras. What you're describing is a great idea- but I get by fine with the usual collection of alligator clips and sockets.
With the WO I would have thought a guide scope and camera were essential? Otherwise there's not much need for the laptop if the mount is just tracking.
If you're looking for a reasonable dark sky site only 90 mins from Perth PM me, and keep next Friday free.
I suspect from your username that we may be in the same industry...
Cheers,
Andrew.
You have a pm

The laptop will be used for the camera as well so i thought i might as well use it for the mount whilst am at it plus i would need it at some stage I was thinking with a half decent drift alignment i could get a couple of minutes of half decent unguided exposures
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First of all may i apologise to all in perth as i have bought a telescope and as such has been cloudy for the past few days
Congrats!

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My current thinking if getting a deep cycle battery and putting it in an enclosure and wiring some fused 12v cigarette lighter plugs off it. Currently i would need one for the mount and one for the laptop. How does that sound?
Yep, that's what many of us here do. Laptops tend to be very power hungry (though the small netbooks are better) - you'll be a lot more energy efficient if you can run them directly off 12V power instead of going through a 240V inverter. You may also want to consider a dew heater...

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Second thing just to get started would be a T-adapter for my 60d and a field flattener. T-adapters and pretty standard but it is the field flattener that is the problem. I was looking at getting the Hotech SCA field flattener but everywhere looks to be out of stock i have seen the Orion field flattener on Bintels website would this be ok?
In theory, yes - though your best bet would be to find examples of photos online where people have used the combination successfully. The William Optics P-FLAT3 (available from Andrews) is meant to work with the Megrez 72.

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Thirdly using the laptop to guide the mount. To run the mount and get all the features or does it really depend on the version of my mount (i have 3.25 on the controller)?
You can just use the hand controller to begin with... you might find EQMOD a bit intense/intimidating at first while you're getting everything else set up.

Many guide cameras will have an ST-4 guide port (it's an RJ45 socket that looks like a normal landline telephone plug) that you can plug straight into the EQ6... i.e. you'll be able to run the mount from the hand controller and autoguide as well.

That said, I only use EQMOD with my EQ6 with a wireless gamepad - it's a really great piece of software

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I know about the eqmod and have been doing a lot of reading do i need this
http://www.bintel.com.au/Mounts---Tr...oductview.aspx
If you want the identical thing at half the price - and you're handy with a soldering iron - just buy one of these cables from here, pick up a DB9 connector from Jaycar or equivalent, cut off the black square end, and solder three pins to the connector.

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I was thinking with a half decent drift alignment i could get a couple of minutes of half decent unguided exposures
Unfortunately, the EQ6's periodic error tends to be quite high (20 - 40 arc sec is typical) so you'll almost certainly get eggy stars with your Megrez 72 + Canon 60D with longer exposures (8 mins+) - even if you had "perfect" polar alignment.

If you use a reducer/flattener, have excellent polar alignment, and keep your exposures reasonably short (e.g. 2-3 mins) you could probably do without the autoguider. Your normal camera lenses - e.g. 50 mm - will also probably be fine unguided.

In case you were interested, something like this is popular for people to start with:

http://www.bintel.com.au/Astrophotog...oductview.aspx

By the way, drift alignment is great for refining polar alignment but it's very slow and painful when you're not even close to being aligned. Software such as AlignMaster (would require something like EQMOD to control the telescope), EQAlign, or even the SynScan hand controller firmware - v3.30 and later I think?), makes the process much faster and simpler.

Finally, you'll probably be satisfied with taking individual images when you first get everything up and running - but this becomes laborious when you want to take many subs over many hours. At that point, you may want to consider software such as BackyardEOS or APT to help out. I have BackyardEOS - it has some really helpful features to help with focusing, drift aligning, and dithering (nudging the mount between exposures) in addition to automatically running a large number of exposures.

Hope that helps! Good luck!
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:40 AM
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Cheers for the answers that is awesome. I was looking at atp last night so i might give that a go first. I didn't see the mini guide scope that has me interested
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Hi, I am new to this site and am not sure If I am doing this right, but I am looking at buying a Saxon F1149EQ Newtonian Reflector Telescope, and just wanted to know what people's opinions are of this for a beginner
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