Go Back   IceInSpace > Images > Deep Space

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:15 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
NGC253 & St-7XME

This is only the third time I've had a play with this camera and I'm quite happy at my progress. I've still to learn so much about it but there is potential there even with me using it

NGC253: Orion ED80 and WO 0.8x FR, IR filter only used on camera, 60 frames @ 30sec, track and accumulate, automatic dark subtraction. Slight curves, levels, noise reduction, rotation and crop in PS. Slight blooming is evident in the brightest stars. Still to learn how to quickly and effectively deal with these little blighters.

I tried to do some colour frames but I need to bake the desiccant as fogging is definately a problem. I think shortly I'll be ready to go beyond the Track and Accumulate and do longer exposures with the grab function. And then I'll be ready to use CCDSoft. Atm I'm using the proprietary CCDOPs.
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (NGC253_30secX60_Frames_Track_and_Accum.jpg)
54.7 KB76 views
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:18 PM
iceman's Avatar
iceman (Mike)
Sir Post a Lot!

iceman is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Gosford, NSW, Australia
Posts: 36,799
Excellent spiral detail Paul!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:24 PM
h0ughy's Avatar
h0ughy (David)
Moderator

h0ughy is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NEWCASTLE NSW Australia
Posts: 33,429
hey can you use that data with the dslr stuff
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:32 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Quote:
Originally Posted by h0ughy View Post
hey can you use that data with the dslr stuff
Yep


There is going to be some definate potential there Mike, especially when the 0.5X reducer arrives for the 8" meade

BTW the height of this image is actually the full width of the image. I cropped the ends off the length. If you can follow that gibberish. So I will have plenty of room on the chip to image at 1000mm FL with the meade. Last nights FL was only 480mm
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:46 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Ok, here is a very quick and dirty registration and combining using Registar and then an even quicker crop and touch up in PS. I used the finished Tiff from the other night out at Cambroon taken with the DSLR/ED80/WO 0.8 FR for the colour and the finished Tiff from lasts night for the detail. The only difference being the cameras used. I could have done a bit more but I've got to go back to work

I need to look at different methods of combining images once they have been registered in Registar. I don't like the automated combine process in Registar.
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (DSLR-and-SBIG-combo_PSadjusted.jpg)
128.6 KB47 views
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:51 PM
JohnG's Avatar
JohnG (John)
Looking Down From Above

JohnG is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cootamundra, NSW
Posts: 1,711
Ummm, looks like I have heaps to learn when the SBig ST4000XCM arrives in January.

I will follow your lead, Paul.

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:55 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Oh great John. Have you ever heard of that say "The blind leading the blind"
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16-10-2007, 12:57 PM
Dennis
Dazzled by the Cosmos.

Dennis is offline
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 11,823
Very nice work Mr Ponders, very nice indeed. You’re coming along in leaps and bounds!

Cheers

Dennis
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16-10-2007, 01:18 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Thanks Dennis. I feel I'm getting there but I just wish I could get more than 1 night in two weeks to actually get out there and shoot. I've been spoilt this week by having both Cambroon and a clear night to use last night. Fingers crossed for tomorrow night
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16-10-2007, 02:53 PM
rogerg's Avatar
rogerg (Roger)
Registered User

rogerg is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 4,563
Nice! Especially that one using the DSLR colour shots - good idea, I hadn't thought of doing that. Nice camera's these ST7's
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 16-10-2007, 03:33 PM
ballaratdragons's Avatar
ballaratdragons (Ken)
The 'DRAGON MAN'

ballaratdragons is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Dark at Snake Valley, Victoria
Posts: 14,412
Paul has done such a great job of imaging NGC253 that it was a pity to see it spoiled by the dreaded Blue-Ringed Octopus around the brighter stars.

I took the image into PhotoShop and de-fanged them. I did it manually as I believe it does a better job than PS Actions.

(Posted with Pauls permission)
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (Pauls-NGC253.jpg)
180.4 KB26 views
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16-10-2007, 03:36 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Nice, thanks Ken. Now if you can just show me how to deal with the bloom spikes without having to resort to the tried and true method of individually cloning them out that would be great
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16-10-2007, 03:40 PM
ballaratdragons's Avatar
ballaratdragons (Ken)
The 'DRAGON MAN'

ballaratdragons is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Dark at Snake Valley, Victoria
Posts: 14,412
Ummmm, sorry Paul, I individually clone them out too
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16-10-2007, 03:42 PM
Dennis
Dazzled by the Cosmos.

Dennis is offline
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 11,823
Quote:
Originally Posted by ballaratdragons View Post
Paul has done such a great job of imaging NGC253 that it was a pity to see it spoiled by the dreaded Blue-Ringed Octopus around the brighter stars.

I took the image into PhotoShop and de-fanged them. I did it manually as I believe it does a better job than PS Actions.

(Posted with Pauls permission)
Wow – it keeps on getting better and better. Nice re-process Ken. It’s a pity that the ‘scope operator and image acquirer couldn’t provide you with better data in the first instance.

Cheers

Dennis
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16-10-2007, 04:47 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
A quick reprocessing.

Using the same images as before and registering in Registar, I then took the images into PS and then layered them and set the SBIG one to Luminosity (after giving them both a bit of a sharpening tweek ). Might be a bit dark and blotchy, but I'm learning
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (NGC253_DSLR_SBIG_combo PSadjusted.jpg)
58.6 KB26 views
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 16-10-2007, 04:49 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
My third image may be sharper but I prefer the second one.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 16-10-2007, 05:02 PM
ballaratdragons's Avatar
ballaratdragons (Ken)
The 'DRAGON MAN'

ballaratdragons is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Dark at Snake Valley, Victoria
Posts: 14,412
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
It’s a pity that the ‘scope operator and image acquirer couldn’t provide you with better data in the first instance.

Cheers

Dennis
Not the operator/aquirers fault. Paul offered to send me the original Tifs or Fits or whatever they are called

But I don't know anything about them and they are probably too large to send in email.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 16-10-2007, 05:16 PM
rogerg's Avatar
rogerg (Roger)
Registered User

rogerg is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 4,563
Quote:
Originally Posted by [1ponders] View Post
...Now if you can just show me how to deal with the bloom spikes without having to resort to the tried and true method of individually cloning them out that would be great
If you're using CCDSoft which comes with the SBIG cameras, you can get a "deBloomer" (or some similar name) plugin. I tried it for a while and it was certainly very good, but I let my trial lapse and never got around to buying it since. I tend to just avoid stars that lead to blooming. I think the plugin might have been written by someone "famous" like Ron Wodaski... not sure though.

Roger.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 16-10-2007, 05:58 PM
jase (Jason)
Registered User

jase is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Posts: 3,916
Nice work Paul.
Why not go deeper with internal guiding?

Yes, Ron Wodaski's debloomer is a fine application.
http://www.newastro.com/newastro/dow...ts.asp#debloom
Nice feature how it rotates the stars that bloom to bring them back into a natural circular shape - typically rotated 90 degrees.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 16-10-2007, 08:26 PM
[1ponders]'s Avatar
[1ponders] (Paul)
Retired, damn no pension

[1ponders] is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Obi Obi, Qld
Posts: 18,778
Thanks for the info Roger and Jase. I'll certainly look into the plugin.

I will go deeper Jase, but this is only my third go at the camera so I'm still feeling my way about. I'm hoping to get another chop at it tomorrow night. I have to bake the dehumidifier first as I've been getting some fogging as the night progresses.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 10:34 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Astrophotography Prize
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement