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Old 10-12-2016, 08:55 PM
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The Mona Moron strickes again

Can you believe the stupidity of this idiot:

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...35df1f79ef09a0
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:12 PM
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Can you believe the stupidity of this idiot:

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/ta...35df1f79ef09a0
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:17 PM
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Sorry, Rom but I can't get to the article without paying. However I can see the artist's impression and it's hideous. There's too much of this 'point a light up and it's artistic' first class fertilizer about the place. 'Shaft of Light' 'Towers of Radiance' whatever, they're all ugly. There's a night club in town, 5km away, who shine a set of 4 spotlights upwards, waving them about, to advertise their presence. You can see them on the clouds most nights and on the clear nights they light up the dust. Sometimes I wish I was a pelican.
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Old 12-12-2016, 08:50 PM
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Doesn't need to be read. The picture tells the story. This parasite has a thing about sticking columns of light into the sky over Hobart during the equally stupid, "Dark Mofo"... homage to the inane and moronic.

With our equally moronic government about to change planning laws to block challenges to idiotic developments, this fool may just get his ego trip.
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It's a Turdock paper what do you expect.
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Doesn't need to be read. The picture tells the story. This parasite has a thing about sticking columns of light into the sky over Hobart during the equally stupid, "Dark Mofo"... homage to the inane and moronic.

With our equally moronic government about to change planning laws to block challenges to idiotic developments, this fool may just get his ego trip.
I don't even see a picture.
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Try this link for more of this story. http://www.themercury.com.au/news/op...55ed3235b3a4d8
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That's disappointing. The article seems to be a politically correct puff piece, that doesn't mention any downside of doing this.
Perhaps writing to your local MP about it might do some good.
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Old 13-12-2016, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor Robert Norris-Nunn, Hobart Mercury
In 1993, The Royal Australian Institute of Architects adopted the International Union of Architects ‘Declaration of Interdependence for a Sustainable Future’.

The Declaration states -

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Declaration of Interdependence for a Sustainable Future

UIA/AIA World Congress of Architects

Chicago, 18-21 June 1993

In recognition that :

• A sustainable society restores, preserves, and enhances nature and culture for the benefit of all life, present and future; a diverse and healthy environment is intrinsically valuable and essential to a healthy society; today's society is seriously degrading the environment and is not sustainable;

• We are ecologically interdependent with the whole natural environment; we are socially, culturally, and economically interdependent with all of humanity; sustainability, in the context of this interdependence, requires partnership, equity, and balance among all parties;

• Buildings and the built environment play a major role in the human impact on the natural environment and on the quality of life; sustainable design integrates consideration of resource and energy efficiency, healthy buildings and materials, ecologically and socially sensitive land-use, and an aesthetic sensitivity that inspires, affirms, and ennobles; sustainable design can significantly reduce adverse human impacts on the natural environment while simultaneously improving quality of life and economic well being;

We commit ourselves,

as members of the world's architectural and building-design professions, individually and through our professional organisations, to:

• Place environmental and social sustainability at the core of our practices and professional responsibilities

• Develop and continually improve practices, procedures, products, curricula, services, and standards that will enable the implementation of sustainable design

• Educate our fellow professionals, the building industry, clients, students, and the general public about the critical importance and substantial opportunities of sustainable design

• Establish policies, regulations, and practices in government and business that ensure sustainable design becomes normal practice

• Bring all existing and future elements of the built environment - in their design, production, use, and eventual reuse - up to sustainable design standards.

Olufemi Majekodunmi, President, International Union of Architects
Susan A. Maxman, President, American Institute of Architects
With regards the upwardly pointing light installation at the proposed
Mona Macquarie Point 2050 Vision for Hobart, it fails this Declaration.

What it lacks in architectural and artistic talent, it compensates for in
its consumption of electricity, its contribution to light pollution and its
ecological and environmental damage.

The adverse effects of light pollution have been widely published and
more of the world's town planners and general public have become
increasingly aware of it. For example, the recent declaration
of the Warrumbungles National Park as Australia's first Dark Sky Park
was widely publicized both on television and in print and online media
and many of the general public became attuned to the environmental
issues of light pollution as a result of that story.

There is nothing new and innovative in shooting beams of light into
the sky. It is an old and hackneyed idea that has been the fall-back of
architects bereft of original ideas in the past.

It is as if these thrusting shafts of light attempt to compensate for
the impotent imaginations of the designers.

If I were architects Fender Katsalidis Architects and Rush Write Associates,
whose names were credited on the image published in the Hobart Mercury,
I would be embarrassed.

Gary Kopff
Mount Kuring-Gai
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Old 20-12-2016, 05:08 PM
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Poked him in the eye

Gonna hound this mug... sick of him.
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Gonna hound this mug... sick of him.
Good on you for speaking up. What's next move?
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Old 20-12-2016, 06:17 PM
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Good on you for speaking up. What's next move?
If he persists... I'll stick a banner on my car and drive around Hobart, then a 10m banner outside Moaner during peak season. And, if necessary, I'll do an astronomy outreach night at his front friggin gate!

Lots of people getting pissed off about this crud of a project. Its being tied to Walsh's general crassness and its incongruity with the idea of a cultural precinct.

The Architects listed in the original idea haven't replied to my emails yet. I'll start slinging it their way as well if necessary.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:15 AM
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"It is an old and hackneyed idea that has been the fall-back of
architects bereft of original ideas in the past."

Thats very true Gary these light columns / beacons show up pretty regularly in design concepts ,most councils do have to act on complaints I wonder how long they would last if anyone actually got as far as making this mess come to fruition.

I think also part of the problem is the course structure in archetecture does seem to have lighting and its use as one of its study areas so this stuff is never going to leave us unfortunately.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:31 AM
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When they talk of lighting in architecture courses I would hope they don't mean shooting 20 thousand watt beams of light into the sky! Lighting does have a place in architecture, subtle lighting!

I'd probably put up with it for a few days as part of a festival, but a permanent installation... will never happen.
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:38 AM
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If he persists... I'll stick a banner on my car and drive around Hobart, then a 10m banner outside Moaner during peak season. And, if necessary, I'll do an astronomy outreach night at his front friggin gate!

Lots of people getting pissed off about this crud of a project. Its being tied to Walsh's general crassness and its incongruity with the idea of a cultural precinct.

The Architects listed in the original idea haven't replied to my emails yet. I'll start slinging it their way as well if necessary.
If there are lots of people opposing the project you need to get organised. Otherwise you risk looking like a lone nutter. I'm not sure of the best way to get the ball rolling but these days people tend to use Facebook and Twitter; I don't use either but every time I hear of a campaign they have a Facebook page. Also consider starting a petition on Change.org.

The banner on you car sound like a good idea, depending on how much you get around, but large banners cost a fair amount of money for a well made one that will last. If you do have a protest group or Facebook page advertise it on the banner(s). Try hitting the local media. Most ABC local radio stations are on the look-out for local stories, especially ones that land on their desk, and you will hit the right demographic there (bleedin' heart greenies, chardonay socialists and other NIMBY types ).

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:53 AM
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Comments on proposal invited

The Macquarie Point Strategic Framework and Masterplan 2015 – 2030 web site can be found here -
http://macquariepoint.com/project/masterplan/

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Ideas and conversation. We would like you to be a part of Macquarie Point.

The redevelopment of Macquarie Point is for the people of Tasmania, so we want to know what you think.

Your ideas, opinions, views and thoughts are valued and encouraged.

Just use the form below to send us your comments, questions, suggestions or queries.

Alternatively, you can contact us by phone on +61 3 6166 4000, by e-mail at contact@macquariepoint.com or visit our facebook page.
Comments can also be left on the web site here -
http://macquariepoint.com/project/your-say/
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:59 AM
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Landscape Australia magazine - the national magazine of the Australian Institute of Landscape Architects -

http://landscapeaustralia.com/articl...point-renewal/

http://landscapeaustralia.com/articl...cquarie-point/
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:02 PM
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$2B better spent on Aboriginal education and other issues I'd have thought...
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This is hardly a "first". Remember that famous ***** substitute the Brisbane Sky Needle owned by the hairdresser magnate Stefan Akerie? This boats that it is "capable of emitting a beam of light that may be seen 60 kilometers away". I live about that far out of Brisbane and have seen it several times but, fortunately, only on "special" occasions these days because of interference with the flight path into Brisbane airport..

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