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Old 02-10-2014, 03:22 PM
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LMC and NGC2070 at 480mm

HI all,
North Group 80mm F6 refractor and Orion field flattner, Canon 600D, 15x5 minute subs, bias, flat and dark frames applied.

http://www.astrobin.com/124847/

Imaged this on 30 August from Leyburn but the colour of NGC2070 looks too green and blue to me. I have attempted to colour correct with MaximDL 6, and CCDStack 2 a couple of times, but not successful. eg. I tried splitting the RGB frames, then re-combining with reduced Blue %, but it didnt look correct.

Is there something about OSC images that I'm missing here? Any clue and helpful comments welcome.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:33 PM
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Hi Greg,

Looks pretty good! I imaged the SMC with a mono camera and a lot of the nebulosity was OIII heavy and bluish so I don't think you're too far off. It would probably be improved by subtracting a bit of green (SCNR in PixInsight, HLVG in Photoshop.) You could get the reds to pop by adding Ha, of course...

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Old 02-10-2014, 04:30 PM
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That's very cool Greg. The hires has some serious image scale. Very refined and detailed.
I don't think you'll get much red in the tarantula with a DSLR. Even with a CCD there's a big amount of greens and blues in it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:39 PM
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Hi Greg, even modded dslr's seem to show Tarantula as very blue-green, I suspect it has oodles of H-beta emission that overpowers the Ha. This is just a theory I've come up with to explain what I see, I've never been very successful in finding an official explanation.
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Old 03-10-2014, 12:33 AM
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Thanks Rick, Marc and Simon..I'll have a fiddle, but I suspect you're right, I wont make much progress. I find a lot more red when it is imaged with the QHY8L..I must post that image too, but it was taken thru the MN61 at 900mm.
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Old 03-10-2014, 09:03 AM
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Great looking photo Greg.

Sharp and detailed.

I think the colour is ok.

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Old 03-10-2014, 11:14 AM
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Hi Greg, even modded dslr's seem to show Tarantula as very blue-green, I suspect it has oodles of H-beta emission that overpowers the Ha. This is just a theory I've come up with to explain what I see, I've never been very successful in finding an official explanation.
The ratio of H-a to H-b is pretty much fixed (1:2.85). Extinction from dust is apparently what causes the H-a to be lost ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(astronomy) ), though I think there's a lot of OIII in this region too.
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Old 03-10-2014, 11:54 AM
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Thx for tips guys..
Hmmm, had a fiddle with PS, adjusted it so less green around the Ha of NGC2070..better rendition?
see here for full res http://www.astrobin.com/full/124847/B/
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Colours look better, Greg!
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:28 PM
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In PS, use Adjustments -> Hue/Saturation and select blue and/or cyan and fiddle til it looks right. I know with my FLI 8300 OSC with an LP filter, I have to manipulate the blues a LOT.

I also find with CCDStack for OSC that it is IMPERATIVE to debayer PRIOR to registering and stacking, otherwise you get a "tartan" OSC grid effect, or very distorted colouration. Also use the Colour adjust to change the background - I always desaturate the background. It helps balance the blues a bit more too.
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I also find with CCDStack for OSC that it is IMPERATIVE to debayer PRIOR to registering and stacking, otherwise you get a "tartan" OSC grid effect,
As a rule you cannot register files that are not debayered or you'll destroy the bayer matrix.
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:32 PM
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Thx Lewis and Marc
yes, second version has been treated exactly as you outlined Lewis, as well as de-saturating the background in CCDStack. And yes, Mark, exactly right, i found this out by mistake quite a while ago. which makes sense when you think about it.

I think the second one is much better, and also matches the same area taken with the QHY8L through the MN61.
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Amazing image, I gotta try it one day soon
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Actually great to read this - I've just got myself a 6" newtonian astrophoto rig, and one of my first targets was the tarantula (camera is an unmodded 60D). It came out just as blue-green as yours, and I worried about the reason . Even accepting the lower H-alpha sensitivity of the camera, it seemed a bit much, though I'd read about NGC 346 being more green than red , other nebulae have come out nicely red/pink in the 60D. A 1959 paper on the NGC 2070 spectrum notes a lot of OIII, but the spectrum in the paper didn't appear to cover H-alpha, so I couldn't make the comparison. But... it's reasonable that this nebula has a sizeable contribution of OIII.

I ought to add- lovely image too
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