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Old 27-10-2013, 08:16 PM
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Horse Head Nebula teaser

I am currently collecting data on this image and am now have some data to present the Ha part of the image. I intend to take something like 12-15 hours of Ha data and at this stage the image contains 5.5 hours. Sub length is 30 minutes.

Of note is that the halos I had with the Astronomiks filters are not present with the new Astrodon filters. The Astrodon filter I am using at present is 5nm latest generation.

I will present several version of this object as I collect the data for each filter. I am interested to see what a bicolour image looks like, a complete narrow band and of course the traditional HaLRGB with the new filters.

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Old 27-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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Wonderful teaser Paul!

Another one of those images you feel like you could float through, a great 3D feel.

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Old 27-10-2013, 08:38 PM
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Beautiful and it is the start of a great, detailed image.
Cant wait for the rest of the teaser.
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Old 27-10-2013, 09:11 PM
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outstanding!
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Old 27-10-2013, 09:34 PM
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The curtain is already showing up & so is plenty of detail in the horse head.
This will be good.
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Old 27-10-2013, 09:53 PM
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that's cool just as it is Paul
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Old 27-10-2013, 11:19 PM
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Looking great Paul. Will be interesting to see what another 10 hours does.
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Old 27-10-2013, 11:43 PM
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Looking good Paul (needs more exposure huh? more exposure ya canna get enough exposure ) actually, I squeezed in 6X5min subs on this just this morning as dawn was breaking...some steady air at that time but oh man, you would have been impressed with the noise in the dark areas

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Old 28-10-2013, 06:54 AM
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Awesome vista already. Great image scale. Is that the RC12?
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Old 28-10-2013, 08:30 AM
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Looking good Paul (needs more exposure huh? more exposure ya canna get enough exposure ) actually, I squeezed in 6X5min subs on this just this morning as dawn was breaking...some steady air at that time but oh man, you would have been impressed with the noise in the dark areas

Mike
Yep lots more exposure. No noise wanted. Why not do 15 minute subs? What NM filters do you have? I have found with the 5NM Astrodon filters I need to do 30 minute subs. At the conference I spoke to Don at length about this very issue. He stated that long subs is the way to go. Jay had the same opinion. I asked if diameter of the objective mattered and each said even if you're using a FSQ106 long subs are the way to go. I know from experience you can use shorter subs because of the diameter but surely 5 minutes is too short.

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Awesome vista already. Great image scale. Is that the RC12?
No Marc, this is with the TSA and QSI. The RC12 would have a much smaller field of view. No imaging has started with that rig yet. Another couple of months yet. Dome has just gone up and I don't have the adapter for the Atlas to STXL yet. Ordered that on the weekend, it should be here in 3 weeks or so I imagine. In the mean time I have to get the pier made up and the electrics installed to automate the dome. Then of course commissioning. I am hoping by new year to have the system up and running.
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Looking very good indeed Paul. That TSA scope has superb optics.

I don't like the steep angle of the framing though.

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Looking very promising, Paul. The inverted-Y composition is growing on me... something a little different to normal.

Btw, it might be worth looking at your stacking settings. In the large image, I can see that hot/cold pixels aren't being properly rejected, and I think the bright areas will be smoother too with better noise rejection. When I use PixInSight, I've found that SNR can vary by huge amounts just by experimenting with different settings - I imagine that CCDStack would be similar.
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Old 28-10-2013, 02:47 PM
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Even on its own, a beautiful photo Paul.

Love the detail and tonal range.

Great composition too.

Good luck with the final photograph.

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Old 28-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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That looks very promising, Paul!

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Why not do 15 minute subs? What NM filters do you have? I have found with the 5NM Astrodon filters I need to do 30 minute subs. At the conference I spoke to Don at length about this very issue. He stated that long subs is the way to go. Jay had the same opinion. I asked if diameter of the objective mattered and each said even if you're using a FSQ106 long subs are the way to go. I know from experience you can use shorter subs because of the diameter but surely 5 minutes is too short
Mike is just showing off because he has low read noise (probably about 5e- vs 8e- for the QSI-683) with his fancy-pants Sony sensor

Read noise is the reason why longer subs give you better SNR. It is incurred once for each sub, so you need to overwhelm it by collecting enough signal that the read noise is insignificant. I suspect that 5 minutes is still a bit short for narrowband imaging with Mike's setup but I haven't done the calculations...

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Old 28-10-2013, 03:13 PM
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Good enough as it is, Paul. Great shot
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That looks very promising, Paul!



Mike is just showing off because he has low read noise (probably about 5e- vs 8e- for the QSI-683) with his fancy-pants Sony sensor


Cheers,
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Try less than 3 electrons Rick!

Sony is taking over the sensor world. Its only a matter of time! They have won the DSLR market now for the astronomers

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Greg,

Specs for the Trius-SX694 say:

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Readout Noise: Less than 7 electrons RMS - typically ONLY 5 electrons.
I still want one of the cameras that RonW was talking about at AAIC 2013 with read noise down at 1 e-

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Specs for the Trius-SX694 say:

I still want one of the cameras that RonW was talking about at AAIC 2013 with read noise down at 1 e-

Cheers,
Rick.
Ah yes you are right. I was thinking of the FLI Microline version:

http://www.fli-cam.com/microline/index.html (under interline and then 694)

Doesn't quote read noise but total system noise of 3 electrons.

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that is coming along very nicely Paul. regards Ray
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Looking very promising, Paul. The inverted-Y composition is growing on me... something a little different to normal.

Btw, it might be worth looking at your stacking settings. In the large image, I can see that hot/cold pixels aren't being properly rejected, and I think the bright areas will be smoother too with better noise rejection. When I use PixInSight, I've found that SNR can vary by huge amounts just by experimenting with different settings - I imagine that CCDStack would be similar.
Yeah notices those too. Some hot pixels but lots of cosmic ray strikes that were not rejected properly. The normal setting is now working it seems. Time to revise that.
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