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Old 10-02-2013, 06:18 PM
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How to image through a PST Coronado ?

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I had the solar scope out today and ive been trying all arvo to try and work out how to image through it
I dont seem to have any success at all so far i have a canon 500d which i attached to a 2.5powermate but i dont seem to get any detail at all

So i used the webcam but i cant get the whole sun in the FOV

All tips and ideas and how to, or step by step guides will be very much appreciated
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:23 PM
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Hi Jen

Looks like you and I had the same idea today.

Looks like we were having the same amount of luck as well!

Sorry I can't be of any help to you yet.

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Old 10-02-2013, 06:46 PM
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I believe the PST needs to be modded before you can image successfully with it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:58 PM
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Hi Jen

Looks like you and I had the same idea today.

Looks like we were having the same amount of luck as well!

Sorry I can't be of any help to you yet.

Regards

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gday Gave yeah there was an awsome prominence on the sun this arvo

good luck buddy hope to see some sun pics from you also in the future
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:59 PM
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I believe the PST needs to be modded before you can image successfully with it.
Does that involve a hammer Nettie cause thats what i was going to use earlier hahahaha

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:06 PM
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Well I'm pretty much a newbie right now as you know Jen but it does need some modding as JJJ suggests.

In my case I'm using a DMK21AU04 Imaging Source camera. I couldn't get to focus either & worked out I needed to get the camera chip closer to the telescope. I had to cut off at least 7mm off the end of the 1.25" camera adapter, as well as grind off a shoulder that was stopping the adapter from going all the way in to the scope. You'll need to employ the same method for the webcam no doubt. Can't help with the DSLR (without the barlow) but I do read that much the same needs to be done somehow: Get the camera closer to the scope to reach focus. Regarding the use of the Barlow - No detail because it's not at focus, or is it just overexposed do you think? Got any pics?

Here's another way, & I know you have already read it I think..http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...ml&h=7AQEKJ7oh
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:27 PM
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Thanks John here are the shots im getting with the canon dslr with the 2.5 barlow one of them i changed to monochrome

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PS i have been stalking you on facebook now that i have put two and two together buahahahaha
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Jen,
I'm no expert, but there is one piece of advice I give, it took me ages to twig to it, but in my case it changed the game heaps. Get a mono webcam. In my case, when I had a PST, I used a DMK41 sized chip, but as John said, something like the DMK21 will do just fine.
For ages I tried the DSLR style cameras I have, and also a Philips 900 webcam. Being colour they didn't work like I expected. Mono though? Makes it so easy.
You could find that you need a shorter 1.25" nose-piece as well, so bear this in mind.
Try a mono webcam, and no barlow for a start, get an image, and go from there. Adding a barlow can come later.
Post what you get, that way we can point you in the right direction.
The humble PST is capable of excellent solar images, and NO, it does not have to be modded, hammer not required!!.
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As Gary says, mono is the go for this type of work.
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With a webcam you need a x0.5 reducer to get a full disk image.
As has been said a mono chip is the way to go.
Registax for processing the AVI and you'll get some good results.
If and when you want to consider doing a "serious" PST mod, drop me an email address for a copy of the PST mod write-up.
Onwards and upwards.
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Thanks John here are the shots im getting with the canon dslr with the 2.5 barlow one of them i changed to monochrome

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PS i have been stalking you on facebook now that i have put two and two together buahahahaha
Yup looks like you are still Xamount from focus.

Stalk away my girl LOL!!
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Jen, it is possible to get half decent shots with a dslr but in the end you will want to go for a webcam or DMK as it will just make life easier. The PST doesn't need to be modded for this.

However if you use a DSLR there are a few things that'll make life easier and you should get a usable image.

Firstly I use a Hyperion Zoom EP as it has a t-ring attatchment and takes away the need for a barlow. There are other zooms that are the same so a Hyperion is not essential. I guess a zoom isn't essential either as you apply the same principal but you might not get the full disc.

Secondly using a camera capture software like APT or canons own software helps immensely with focussing, which is one of the hardest parts.
I found using the x10 zoom on the cameras live view .helps a lot with focus and if you can zoom in on a sunspot all the better.

You will need to take two images, one overexposed to get the proms and one much darker to pick up the surface detail.
Try an exposure time of 1/500 at iso 100 or 200 for the surface detail and 1/25 from the proms. They are just starting points but you can adjust the settings once you get it sorted.

To make a recognisable Ha picture out of it processing is where it all happens.
You had the right idea changing it to mono but you also have to isolate the red channel as that is the one that picks up most of the Ha. So open up the image, turn it to greyscale and do away with the blue and green channels and just work with the red.
You can also open up the pic of the surface detail in Registax and apply wavelets and that may help with the detail.

Once you combine it with the overexposed image for the proms(generally cut and past not a stack) then you can change the image back from greyscale to an RGB image and play with the colour balance until you get the right colour you are after.

Now this is all a terrible faff but it is all possible and if you don't have anything else at hand then why not try it, however you soon end up with a DMK as it makes everything not only easier but better.

Here is a early pic of mine using a 450D, I had awful focus issues that in the end caused me to stop using this method but others have been far more successful than I was.

I hope all that makes some kind of sense, if not I can try and elaborate more.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:56 PM
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Yup looks like you are still Xamount from focus.

Stalk away my girl LOL!!
Ok


ok thanks guys you all make it so easy when the weekend comes around again I will have another go

How much are these dmk cameras selling for these days, I have given up the ciggys now so my astro piggy bank is filling up nicely
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:53 PM
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Here is one.
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=101314

It won't fit the full disc on the frame though, you need the DMK 41 for that.
Bintel have the 21 at $430 and the 41 at $680.
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Get the 21 Jen - You know you want to do 6 pane mosaics hehe!
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