Pioneer Anomaly Solved !

[CraigS]

The dreaded Pioneer Anomaly may have finally been explained .. all without mysterious particles or making Einstein wrong ! …

New theory proposed to explain Pioneer probe gravitational anomaly

Portuguese physicists might have finally solved the decades old mystery of why the Pioneer probes, launched in the early 70’s, haven’t been decelerating from the Sun’s gravitational pull at the rate expected; it seems it might be something as mundane as adding in the tiny forces that occur when minute traces of heat from the plutonium on board the probes bounce off their receiving dishes, creating a counterforce, which in turn, causes the craft to slow; if ever so slightly.

Damn ! I was hoping it would be something way more mysterious than that!
.. I wish it had stayed a mystery now.
Oh well … easy come … easy go ...

I guess we'll have to wait for the ensuing debate/criticism, before it can all be a 'sealed deal', though.

Cheers

[marki]

Alex in not going to like this .

Mark

[SkyViking (Rolf)]

Very interesting. I'm not surprised that it might be such a basic reason, actually rather surprised that they apparently hadn't already screened all the possible causes that could originate from the spacecraft itself.

[mr bruess]

hmmmmm interesting fact or solution

[KenGee (Kenith Gee)]

it was always going to be something basic. It's a bit like a magic trick, at first it seems like it really was magic, but if your shown how it was done it's a little disapointing.

[ArcaneMagik (Craig)]

This seems like something Slava Turyshev would have picked up quickly. Personally I will wait around for further confirmation...

A new theory of gravity would be so nice.

[Waxing_Gibbous (Peter)]

I will have a better answer tomorrow, but from my father-in-law's recollection it was actually an Australian physicist who first worked this out.
He also 'proved' (mathematically), that small variances in the shape of the engine nozzles would have exactly the effect seen.
He was a physicist at CSIRO for years and knew the man in question well.
I'm an idiot and can't remember his name.
(The postulating scientist. Not my F.I.L. His name's Chris).

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by marki

Alex in not going to like this .

Mark

Nah....doubt that. Never stopped before, won't stop him now

[xelasnave]

This seems more novel than many of the ideas offered to date but I feel they are still clutching at straws ..any straw indeed will do if it will prevent the them having to face the inevitable conclusion than the current science upon gravity is not going to hold up in interstellar space.

This approach is little better than the leaking fuel tank idea of years ago.

Space is sticky due to the greater than observed pressure of energy and stuff seeking to pass thru it will slow because of the interaction... the razor suggests my idea should stand due to its simplicity ....

alex

[bojan]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

the razor suggests my idea should stand due to its simplicity ....

alex

Alex, your idea only looks like it is simple at the first glance..
But if/when/ you take a better look at it, it's a monster - the consequences of existence of push-itrons are totally inconsistent with every measurement and observation you can think of. We have been through this couple of years ago...
[this dash in the name of your particle (push-itron) is because of language filter.. Mike.s responsibility ]

[xelasnave]

Hi Bojan
sorry for delay in reply. One observation in support is the slowing of the pioneer

[bojan]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Hi Bojan
sorry for delay in reply. One observation in support is the slowing of the pioneer

Alex, this is not the case.
You never explained how and why the Push-itron existence would be the cause of Pioneer speed slowdown

[Zaps]

Alex, would you mind showing me the math behind your idea(s)?

[xelasnave]

Forget the pu****ron whatever I suggest there is enough energy out there to provide the energy for pressure. Consider the available energy at any point in interstella space it must be near infinite. Use the reverse approach to that used by Hersel to determine the energy out put of the Sun. We can assume energy comes from every direction from up to 14 billion light years away Android such is the case for every point in the Universe. To quantify the number of tradjectories divide the surface area of a sphere 14 billion light years by little windows say by the smallest measurement we know...select the smallest quanta of energy that exists and multiply by the number oftradjectories to find minimum energy at any point.
Does this near infinite energy invironment interact with matter is the question. I think it must and think the pioneer slow because they need only engage a small fraction of the energy that passes any point. The math is simple to do from what I set out above.
alex

[OICURMT]

Originally Posted by Waxing_Gibbous

He was a physicist at CSIRO for years and knew the man in question well.
I'm an idiot and can't remember his name.
(The postulating scientist. Not my F.I.L. His name's Chris).

I scared my better half when I busted out laughing

[bojan]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

...... The math is simple to do from what I set out above.
alex

Well... let's see it

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Forget the pu****ron whatever I suggest there is enough energy out there to provide the energy for pressure. Consider the available energy at any point in interstella space it must be near infinite. Use the reverse approach to that used by Hersel to determine the energy out put of the Sun. We can assume energy comes from every direction from up to 14 billion light years away Android such is the case for every point in the Universe. To quantify the number of tradjectories divide the surface area of a sphere 14 billion light years by little windows say by the smallest measurement we know...select the smallest quanta of energy that exists and multiply by the number oftradjectories to find minimum energy at any point.
Does this near infinite energy invironment interact with matter is the question. I think it must and think the pioneer slow because they need only engage a small fraction of the energy that passes any point. The math is simple to do from what I set out above.
alex

Alex,

What a totally circular argument.

You are trying to "prove" something on the assumption that it already exists.

Regards

Steven

[xelasnave]

Hi Bojan hi Steven
before I do more I ask is there any point.? We have my premise firstly is it a reasonable approach? If such a situation exists will the passing energy interact with matter. If absolutely not the game ends there...if possible the idea then needs data as to the ctual energy present. ..my lack of math is irrelevent if the premise is flawed.
Anyways my original point was simply that this latest idea as to why they slow is still a straw grab andthe anomoly still remains unsolved in my view.
alex

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Hi Bojan hi Steven
before I do more I ask is there any point.? We have my premise firstly is it a reasonable approach? If such a situation exists will the passing energy interact with matter. If absolutely not the game ends there...if possible the idea then needs data as to the ctual energy present. ..my lack of math is irrelevent if the premise is flawed.

I got two words for ya Alex …. "dark matter".

(Just kidding .. I don't think they made the Pioneers primarily from dark matter … but it does go to show that all contingencies should be considered when developing Science-shattering paradigm shifts ! )

Cheers

[xelasnave]

Hi there Craig well I think them slowing due to dark matter is better than leaking fuel or similar. Keep up with your interesting posts. When ever I can get on the net I look to see your lastest posts they are always interesting all stuff I like to read about...even m theory. .but that is like Android atheist reading the bible. .but its all good.
alexy