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Old 25-10-2009, 02:34 PM
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Thumbs up Images from 10 Chain Hill.. :)

Having missed out on a trip to dark skies for new moon, I got in contact with Peter and organised to go up this weekend for a night... After a rather vicious but short lived thunderstorm that came through just after I'd finished setting up, the sky cleared by 2030hrs and the fun and games commenced..

I started off by taking 12x10min shots of the Tarantula.. Im not too sure about a lot of things with this image, but hey, its my first half decent shot of the spider

I then moved to the horse head. I wanted to nail some good colour data to add to the 4hrs 40mins of Ha that I had on my hard drive.. I took 12x10min subs. I dont think it quite shows off the region, but I think its my best attempt..

Straight after that, I jumped over to Eta Carine to capture colour data for last weekends 110 minute Ha luminance.. I captured 10x10min shots, 4 of which were scrapped due to the camera window fogging up whilst I was napping.. Now, This, I am impressed with. I dont know if the colours are right, and I dont really care I just think its nice to look at..

After processing it up, I wondered... How would it look with no stars and a little more stretching? Well... Suffice to say I now have one of my own astro images as my desktop background... This is the first shot I've taken that I thought was worthy of desktop background for the week..

Thanks for looking and reading my little novel.

- All shots taken using TMB/LOMO 80mm F/6 triplet @ F/6, Orion SS Pro, HEQ5.

Alex.

Ps. Big thanks to Peter for having me!
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Old 25-10-2009, 03:13 PM
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Very very cool set of pictures Alex. Absolutely love the HH. Framing, colors and look at that details . Tarantula is way cool too. You got a lot of very faintstuff in that shot. As for Eta, well .. grandiose! Here's a quick trick you can try on your Eta shot. in PS, go to Filter>Noise>Reduce Noise & play with the sliders to get rid of the star colors - see attached shots. Also did it on your star version.
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Old 25-10-2009, 03:16 PM
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Thanks Marc... I'll have a play around with the starless eta again... I didnt run any noise reduction on it at all... I guess I wasn't overly worried about the slightly crunchy look thats left behind after star removal. Your re-do shows why I should have

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Old 25-10-2009, 07:12 PM
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Alex,

Fine set of images.

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Old 25-10-2009, 09:56 PM
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Lovely images Alex.
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Old 26-10-2009, 07:04 AM
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Great work Alex. I like them all.

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Old 26-10-2009, 08:12 AM
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Old 26-10-2009, 08:26 AM
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Old 26-10-2009, 03:28 PM
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Nice work Alex. Eta looks rather dramatic. Interesting presentation of this target not often seen. Ha RGB blend looks like it presented you with a few challenges. Well done.
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Old 26-10-2009, 07:33 PM
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I like the Horsehead mate, it looks quite good, Eta is dramatic too..and even a Vanderhaven to top it off

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Old 26-10-2009, 08:06 PM
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Thanks all for the kind words..

Jase - Thanks. Dramatic is what I was going for with Eta.. Especially the starless version... I really wanted to show off the extended nebulosity and all the delicate folds that extend out out of the frame.. The Ha RGB blends do give me quite a bit of trouble.. I have a lot of trouble getting the colour balance right with Ha RGB blends, however this will soon be a thing of the past.. I've just ordered my own Ha, SII and OIII filters and an FLI 2-5 filter wheel... Im giving up on RGB. Being colour blind makes it too difficult to get a good, realistic image. I'll move to narrowband imaging so that I can never be told my colours are wrong... My eyes respond a lot better to the extreme contrast in narrowband....

Mike - Thanks mate.. I think I got the horsehead right this time around... Last time was attrocious in comparison haha Yea, Did the Vanderhaven.. Im a convert after that... Starless nebulae i and stretching wesome.. you can keep stretching and stretching the nebulosity out!

I'm a big fan, I just need to refine my method of star removal.. This process introduced a fair few strange artifacts which I was not happy about. Practise makes perfect I suppose
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Old 26-10-2009, 08:44 PM
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Hi Alex,

Looooooove the HH, my favourite of the lot, the others.....eh, don't do it for me, but that might be just the palette, I dunno?

Still, not complaining, but the Horsehead is a corker mate, simply gorgeous.

Nicely done,

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Old 27-10-2009, 07:03 AM
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Superbe un plus pour le canasson .
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Old 28-10-2009, 04:02 PM
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gday Alex

Well dione mate - I just got back from the funeral in Nambucca and scrolling down the page i found these - excellent mate.

It backs up what we were discussing previously. If we compare this years HHs to our own HHs from last year it is almost scary what will be happening next year. Its not too long ago that these would have been impossible especially in the size of scope.

Good to see the Orion in the hands of someone that knows how to use it. All this and being able to take naps between subs - what more could we ask for.

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Old 28-10-2009, 04:57 PM
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G'day Mark..

Yeah mate, the Orion is really proving its worth..

Just for posterity, I've posted up my last years horse head shot to show the difference one year has made.. its pretty extreme!

I am really happy with all of the shots I've taken with the Orion thus far, however I think between my 13hr M8 (HaRGB) and the ~7hr HH (HaRGB) are by far the best two... That starless eta image has already been printed out A4 and is framed on my bedroom wall.. It looks fantastic..

Too right mate. Thank god we live in the days of computer controlled imaging and guiding.. I really needed those naps I had haha

Cheers for the comments Mark..
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Old 28-10-2009, 05:16 PM
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Hi Alex, that before and after comparison of images of the HH really tells a story doesn't it. Certainly vindicates your choices.
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Old 28-10-2009, 05:52 PM
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Thanks Peter..

It also says quite a lot about the helpfulness of this wonderful forum... without which I never would have taken an astro-image. Let alone made such an improvement in 10 months...

A couple of things that really helped with that comparison...
1 - The original did not use flats (clearly)
2 - I've learnt a lot about processing in the past 10 months..
3 - Dedication to producing a few good images rather than many many average images.

Back in December of last year when the original horse head image was taken, I did not understand calibration at all, I was fairly new to guiding etc.. The equipment I had far surpassed my capabilities too..

Thanks to many online tutorials, many questions I posted on these forums and tips and hints I was given after posting some of my early images have really reshaped my way of approaching an image im fairly certain that I did not realise you could use curves multiple times at the time of processing the original horse head shot.. I think that was just a single iteration of curves, single iteration of levels, and a single, agressive pass of unsharp mask.. as opposed to many subtle iterations of curves and levels to gently bring out the information, and many, subtle, selective sharpen iterations along with a few iterations of deconvolution to bring out the detail..

Finally, after seeing many images from people like Jase, Mike Sidonio, Greg Bradley, Fred Vanderhaven, Marcus Davies, Peter Ward, Tom Davis etc etc etc. All with exposure lengths up in 10~25 hour mark, I realised that while you can get 10 targets in one night if you wish.. You will be looking at maybe 45~50 minute total exposure images, which will not have fantastic depth, rich colours and faint detail, what you will have is a rough image rife with noise and artefacts from over-stretching...
These days I generally go for between 7~10 hours exposure on any given image unless its just a quicky to fill in time before the next target gets high enough to start imaging... There is no substitute for plenty of raw data.. you can have the best camera, best mount, best optics etc, if you only do 2 hours exposure, your image will still only have 2 hours worth of data to play with..

The Horse head I originally posted in this thread has 6hrs 40minutes of Ha (20 minute subs) and 2hrs of colour data. Its been calibrated carefully with flats, flat darks, and darks, and has been processed a lot more carefully than the one from december last year which was 1hrs 20min total exposure (6x600sec + 1x1200sec)

All in all, the equipment used isn't much different than the shot from December last year, in some cases I actually had better gear back then..

Images take with:
December last year:
WO Megrez 102mm F/7 ED Doublet.
QHY8
EQ6 Pro (Guided with WO ZS66SD + DBK31 through EQMOD)

October this year:
TMB/LOMO 80mm F/6 triplet:
Much better than the Megrez 102.

Orion SS Pro:
Not up to the same level as the QHY8 in quality, much more noise, not as heavily cooled etc.. although the reflection on the Orion SS pro is much more subdued than with the QHY8.. The QHY8's reflection can be addressed and rectified, the Orion's can not.

HEQ5 Pro:
Well, Its no EQ6 Pro, thats for sure.

Guided with WO ZS70ED + QHY5 through ST4 connection:
Much the same, although the QHY5's guiding capabilities far exceed that of the DBK31's, the little bit of extra aperture may or may not have helped, and the optical quality of the guider is much the same..

To be very honest, I think the major differences in the two images comes directly from processing, and understanding of capture methods and equipment setup (polar alignment, minimised flexture, proper balancing etc)

The difference in equipment is not great enough to explain the difference in the images...

Wow.. quite the rant..
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Old 28-10-2009, 06:15 PM
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I know your feeling alex, I myself have seen with my M42 shot the difference between the 2 are insane... and i havn't changed my setup at all......
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Nice work Alex. Looks like you had quite a feast last weekend, and even better, a great time capturing and developing it all.
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