Go Back   IceInSpace > General Astronomy > Observational and Visual Astronomy
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 29-11-2008, 02:03 PM
Terry B's Avatar
Terry B
Country living & viewing

Terry B is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Armidale
Posts: 2,790
New ?nova in Carina at mag ~7.9

A new "star" has been reported in Carina. I have copied the report email below by Sebastian Otero. Maybe someone with clearer skies than be would like to try to get an image and measure it's brightness.

A possible nova in Carina has been reported by the Pi of the Sky team at the approximate position 11 13 54 -61 14 00 (J2000.0).
This is near the AG Carinae field, so I have updated the AG Car chart on my website so it can be used as a finder chart or binocular chart since this nova seems to be bright:
http://ar.geocities.com/varsao/Carta_HD_95687.htm

While preparing the comparison sequence I found that three of the "natural" comparison stars at mag. 10 are actually variable (GCAS stars) so they had to be omitted from the sequence.
All variables (according to analysis of ASAS-3 data) are included in the telescopic chart at:
http://ar.geocities.com/varsao/Carta_Nova_Car_2008.htm
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 29-11-2008, 02:51 PM
Ian Robinson
Registered User

Ian Robinson is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gateshead
Posts: 2,205
Nothing but clouds here ....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 29-11-2008, 03:23 PM
AlexN's Avatar
AlexN
Widefield wuss

AlexN is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Caboolture, Australia
Posts: 6,994
damn clouds...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-12-2008, 03:20 PM
bmitchell82's Avatar
bmitchell82 (Brendan)
Newtonian power! Love it!

bmitchell82 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Mandurah
Posts: 2,597
If only i had the astro gear to take the photo! over here in perth its been quite nice in the evening/early morning
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-12-2008, 03:53 PM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Photo is here...
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=38618
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 20-12-2008, 06:30 PM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Nova Carinae so far....

This was supposed to be a curve.. However Melbourne's weather interfered and I have only points so far .
Still better this than nothing.
Magnitude estimates are visual, measured on 10x stacks with IRIS on G-channel only.
I hope for couple of consecutive clear nights in the near future.
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (Nova_Car_2008.jpg)
17.3 KB34 views

Last edited by bojan; 20-12-2008 at 06:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 20-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Ian Robinson
Registered User

Ian Robinson is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gateshead
Posts: 2,205
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojan View Post
This was supposed to be a curve.. However Melbourne's weather interfered and I have only points so far .
Still better this than nothing.
Magnitude estimates are visual, measured on 10x stacks with IRIS on G-channel only.
I hope for couple of consecutive clear nights in the near future.
Typical exponential decline.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20-12-2008, 08:56 PM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Robinson View Post
Typical exponential decline.
Yes.. I will be able to monitor it with current setup all the way through January next year.. until it fades to mag 15. After that I will need LP filters or darker site...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 20-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Ian Robinson
Registered User

Ian Robinson is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gateshead
Posts: 2,205
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojan View Post
Yes.. I will be able to monitor it with current setup all the way through January next year.. until it fades to mag 15. After that I will need LP filters or darker site...
May not go that faint , any info yet on the prenova progenator star's brightness yet ?

My 10" is still in pieces waiting on my flocpaper to arrive. Hopefully I'll have the stuff before Xmas , then I make some minor mods to the Orion cell and reassemble , collimate see how it performs.

What other variables and novae and supernovae are you monitoring at present ?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 20-12-2008, 10:13 PM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Robinson View Post
May not go that faint , any info yet on the prenova progenator star's brightness yet ?

What other variables and novae and supernovae are you monitoring at present ?
Actually, this is my first nova that I am monitoring properly :-) Before this my equipment was not quite up to the task (EQ6 with GoTo)
As far as progenitor is concerned, I saw Avandonk's shots taken before outburst.
He caught stars much fainter that mag 15 and there was no trace of anything on them at nova's position.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 21-12-2008, 12:19 AM
Terry B's Avatar
Terry B
Country living & viewing

Terry B is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Armidale
Posts: 2,790
I've been able to take some images and measure this nova. It pokes it's head above my trees at about 2300hrs now.
The image is through a "V" filter on 18/12/08. It's been cloudy over the last few nights so no more measurements have been possible.
The little open cluster in the image is NGC 3603.
North is up and west to the right. Taken with an ST9E with 30 sec exposure. The field is 19arcmin square.

Date B V
14/12/2008 10.752 10.234
15/12/2008 10.601 10.015
16/12/2008 10.726 10.168
17/12/2008 10.715 10.133
18/12/2008 10.906 10.293
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (novacarv.jpg)
10.9 KB55 views

Last edited by Terry B; 21-12-2008 at 12:22 AM. Reason: typo
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 21-12-2008, 09:01 AM
Rob_K
Registered User

Rob_K is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bright, Vic, Australia
Posts: 2,187
Last night was the first real chance I've had to image this one. The nova appears to be very reddened and I wouldn't want to try to estimate magnitude.

Shot at 200mm tracking with RA drive on EQ1, but focus was out & I reduced size a bit before I cropped to make the shot a bit more presentable!

Cheers -
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (NCar, 20 Dec 08, 13-45 UT text small.jpg)
174.8 KB69 views
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 21-12-2008, 09:39 PM
Terry B's Avatar
Terry B
Country living & viewing

Terry B is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Armidale
Posts: 2,790
Interesting image Rob.
I haven't tried to image it through red or IR filters so don't know how red it is. It is pretty bright in blue on my images with a B-V of about 0.7.
I compared your image to mine. The image scale is amazingly different. Your image is west up and north to the left compared to my north up. The bright blurry star next to the "x" on your magnified image is the NGC 3603 that is on the edge of my field. My image is slightly smaller than your magnified part.

Last edited by Terry B; 21-12-2008 at 09:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 22-12-2008, 12:19 PM
Rob_K
Registered User

Rob_K is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bright, Vic, Australia
Posts: 2,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry B View Post
Interesting image Rob.
I haven't tried to image it through red or IR filters so don't know how red it is. It is pretty bright in blue on my images with a B-V of about 0.7.
I compared your image to mine. The image scale is amazingly different. Your image is west up and north to the left compared to my north up. The bright blurry star next to the "x" on your magnified image is the NGC 3603 that is on the edge of my field. My image is slightly smaller than your magnified part.
Hmmm yes Terry, my shots are pretty wide - just shooting through a camera lens. The 'magnified' inset is about actual pixel size shooting at 200mm in Small image size.

Colours is a can of worms, LOL! My shots are unfiltered and no doubt if our eyes were good enough to see dimmer objects & pick up colour, then we would see this nova as a pretty reddish-pink, much as in my shot! That's all I need to know - such a simple soul!! I imagine that the colours in my shot are enhanced by the 'defocusing' (er, out of focus!) and the relatively short exposures.

Cheers -
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 22-12-2008, 12:29 PM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Terry, I hope you do not mind, I used your numerical data and updated the graph.. We are quite close in our estimates :-)
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (Nova_Car_Light_curve.jpg)
21.6 KB23 views
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 23-12-2008, 07:51 AM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
More details on Nova Carinae here:
https://lists.ipac.caltech.edu/piper...24/002781.html
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 23-12-2008, 08:57 AM
avandonk's Avatar
avandonk
avandonk

avandonk is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 4,786
Found an image on APOD pre nova here
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080326.html

Below are two images aligned with RegiStar. One from my image and the Apod image. The faint smudge looks like the progenitor star.

Bert
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (big.jpg)
47.1 KB25 views
Click for full-size image (Combine11.jpg)
32.8 KB25 views
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 23-12-2008, 09:42 AM
bojan's Avatar
bojan
amateur

bojan is online now
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
Posts: 7,110
Quote:
Originally Posted by avandonk View Post
The faint smudge looks like the progenitor star.

Bert
Bert, yes, it is barely visible... just a bit above the noise level... It is not easy to be sure, if only we have a better resolution APOD image..
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 23-12-2008, 11:34 AM
Terry B's Avatar
Terry B
Country living & viewing

Terry B is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Armidale
Posts: 2,790
I don't think it is the progenitor star. I've attached a DSS red image with the position of the nova marked. There is no star visible and this image shows stars down to at least mag 19.
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (Novacar-mark1.jpg)
79.9 KB32 views
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 27-12-2008, 03:46 PM
Terry B's Avatar
Terry B
Country living & viewing

Terry B is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Armidale
Posts: 2,790
Your doing well. Apart from Xmas night when I was preoccupied I've had cloud since the 18th.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 09:35 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Astrophotography Prize
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement