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Old 10-10-2008, 10:29 PM
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Orion and Running Man Nebulae

I intend hammering this area this year and am looking forward to megadata and mosaic madness.

But for a start here is modest exposure captured 3 weeks ago now.

LRGB 50 20 20 20 with 5 x 15 sec LRGB superimposed on the bright core area.

Tak BRC 250, Apogee U16M, Baader LRGB filters.

http://www.pbase.com/image/104333829 1200 x 1200

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/ima...33876/original 4000 x 4000 approx.

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/104334370 M42 crop

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/104334268/large Running Man Nebula crop






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Old 10-10-2008, 11:20 PM
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Simply lovely Greg. So much detail and colour - that lovely chocolate colour I haven't seen before. Very inspiring.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:14 AM
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Stunning. Very nice image.

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Old 11-10-2008, 01:30 AM
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Very nice Greg. Robert Gendler has a mosaic of the Orion region that is simply awe inspiring.

http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M...Mportrait.html

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Greg,

Another stunner.

Love it.

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Old 11-10-2008, 08:02 AM
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Hi Greg Stunning image. The colour is a bit vibrant for me but that is just personal choice.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:12 AM
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Very nice Greg . Love the running man crop. How do you color calibrate your pictures before processing? Do you use CCD Stack to combine?
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Hi Greg Stunning image. The colour is a bit vibrant for me but that is just personal choice.

Yes I think you are right. I redid it this morning and combined the core area with the main image before I did the colour tweaking so it all went together rather than the full processing largely already done and then the combine of the core and main image.

It is now a bit more muted.

These Baader filters also have excellent red transmission, better than other filters so images with them tend to be more vibrant in the red areas.

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Old 11-10-2008, 11:56 AM
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Very nice Greg . Love the running man crop. How do you color calibrate your pictures before processing? Do you use CCD Stack to combine?
I use CCDstack to do darks, flats and hot/cold pixel removal then register (align) and stack. I don't do much colour work in CCDstack as it is an unwieldy program memory wise and colour images are a bit too much for it.
I try to minimise use of DDP as it can black clip the image a bit especially if you use auto.

I save the resulting image as a RAW Tiff. I used to use scaled but again the histogram is often slightly black clipped and it is better to use levels/curves in Photoshop to bring up the image as you have way more control and wind up usually with a nice bell curved histogram which is the optimum image.

I then use Photoshop. Curves/levels to bring up the image and have the histograms of all colours running to make them more balanced and get rid of any bias. Then usually shadows/highlights which can brighten an image sometimes more effectively than curves without increasing noise or blowing out highlights (usually use shadows/highlights to get the bright areas under control and make the overall image a tad brighter.

Then very little else depending on the image. Noise Ninja is a very handy tool, I also use layered sharpening often not always, I don't often use unsharp mask or smart sharpen as sharpening the whole image often damages the stars. I use Noel Carboni Photoshop actions to increase star colour very often (quick, easy and very effective - his best tool).
I also often use Gradient Xterminator early on after levels/curves if there is too much background green or red etc. Not sure why I sometimes get this even at a dark site - perhaps lower altitude images suffer from atmospheric extinction and also this large chipped camera is more sensitive to the need for good flats than other cameras I have used.

Then save it as a 16bit tiff and then switch to 8bit and save as a jpeg in various sizes for posting on the internet.

That is my usual routine with very little change from image to image. Some images need hardly anything - they fall in your lap. Thats what I aim for and that comes from all your basic capture tech being as good as you can get it (polar alignment, autoguiding humming, focus, framing, exposure length, total exposure time, best filters, best camera, best scope, collimated, cleanliness of filters/scope, good flats, good darks etc etc.).

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Very nice Greg. Robert Gendler has a mosaic of the Orion region that is simply awe inspiring.

http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M...Mportrait.html

Yes it is. I won't be doing 90 hours but maybe 20. I am also at F5 rather than F9 so 20 hours at F5 is worth what about 70 at F9??

Also my FSQ with reducer is F3.64 and super widefield. I like the huge Ha/dust area around Orion and want to do a mosaic. This huge FOV fairly high resolution setup should include the whole sword of Orion area. It probably would only be a 4 image mosaic to get it with Ha LRGB.

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I also often use Gradient Xterminator early on after levels/curves if there is too much background green or red etc. Not sure why I sometimes get this even at a dark site - perhaps lower altitude images suffer from atmospheric extinction and also this large chipped camera is more sensitive to the need for good flats than other cameras I have used.

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Hello Greg.

Are your referring to a gradient or colour cast?

It's usually blue filtered images that suffer from atmospheric extinction.

I occassionally have green/magenta gradients in my images even though my site is reasonably dark.

It finally dawned on me the gradients were processing induced. I found my RGB images were gradient free but when combined as an LRGB the gradients appeared. (The L images were also gradient free). It was caused by overstetching the L images.

Even the choice of combining software can effect gradients.

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Hi Steven,

Interesting. I'll keep an eye out for that.

I have also noticed though that this large chip needs very good flats and flatting out the image isn't as easy as it usually is with say the STL11.
Sometimes the flats worsen the image.

This M42 image for example does not have any flats used in the 15 sec core shots as the flats were wrecking the image.

My flats also don't always seem to make the whole image even but leave a darker area in the top 1/4 of the image. Probably not taking enough flats and median combining them. Or flats taken when the camera was at its lowest temp (the Apogee has a slow ramp up cooling system designed to reduce thermal shock but it requires you to plan ahead as it takes about 40 minutes to get to the target temp).

Either way Gradient Xterminator is an awesome tool.

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Yes it is. I won't be doing 90 hours but maybe 20. I am also at F5 rather than F9 so 20 hours at F5 is worth what about 70 at F9??

Also my FSQ with reducer is F3.64 and super widefield. I like the huge Ha/dust area around Orion and want to do a mosaic. This huge FOV fairly high resolution setup should include the whole sword of Orion area. It probably would only be a 4 image mosaic to get it with Ha LRGB.

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I look forward to seeing it !

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Very nice Greg. Robert Gendler has a mosaic of the Orion region that is simply awe inspiring.

http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M...Mportrait.html

Yes it's mind boggling indeed!

However...this was taken with a 12" F3.6 with a single frame and just 2.5hrs or so of total exposure:

http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike20...57712/original

Not too much difference really although Rob's has more "body" for sure.

This is why I wanted one of these fast corrected newts so bad...

I think this image may have actually spured Rob to do that 90hr mozaic ?

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What a beauty Greg, fine work.

I'm looking forward to more of your work in this area.

Cheers
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Excellent neb extention for modest exposure time Greg, top work.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:16 PM
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Thanks.

I think I left a bit in this image.

I did some more work on it.

Do you think this is an improvement? It is brighter and sharper.

The depth of the data is remarkable for only 1 hour and 50 minutes. Gotta love F5.

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/104365325

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Yes it's mind boggling indeed!

However...this was taken with a 12" F3.6 with a single frame and just 2.5hrs or so of total exposure:

http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike20...57712/original

Not too much difference really although Rob's has more "body" for sure.

This is why I wanted one of these fast corrected newts so bad...

I think this image may have actually spured Rob to do that 90hr mozaic ?

Mike
Rob gets inspired to do imaging like anyone else.

Not long after I posted a series of images of the Vela Supernova Remnant like this:

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/93999494

Rob did his magnificent 14.25 inch RCOS mosaic of the area.

Oh well, there's always someone better at something than ourselves eh?

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Old 11-10-2008, 08:01 PM
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Holy cow Greg, that 2nd M42 post is awesome, excellent work.

And Mike, here we go, and exactly what input did you have on Chris's M42 ?
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Fantastic images Greg. So much detail I'm scared I'll get lost.

The second image you have posted is excellent.

Keep up the great work.

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