Thanx for your inputs Clive Alex and Paul.
Yes, as is the same for most facets of existence .. you cant beat good old fashioned experience. I have learnt a lot in the 5 months Ive been at this hobby, a lot of the time the answer to one question leads to 3 more questions in a short space of time.
Most things software can be fast tracked if you can sit with a guru for awhile and get to see how its done .. wish that could happen here, this however flies in the face of the timeless idea that its not the destination its the journey ... so maybe sit with a guru for an hour

Thanks again for your comments, everyones input helps
Jeff