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Old 22-06-2008, 06:02 PM
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12" GSO Reflector Secondary Heater

Thought I'd move to a new thread to show my progress on this project.

Elsewhere ( http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=31846 ), I found that the Astrosystems DG-2 heater, while a nice size for the mirror, won't fit in the secondary housing. So I've swapped for the DG-1.

Having connected up 12V (using the dedicated 12V outlet on the Thousand Oaks Dew Heater controller) and checked the circuit was working, I started the mechanicals. Pictures show the heater size relative to the secondary and relative to the secondary holder.

Cleaned up the mirror back with metho and fitted the DG-1 with some automotive silicon (RTV, from Supercheap). Left to cure overnight.

While waiting, took the opportunity to do some work on the mechanicals. Took any sharp edges off the end of the central mounting screw since it may screw through the holder into the cotton wool packing. Stretched the spring a little to give a bit more rigidity. I noticed that the three collimating screws had been chewing into the washer. One at a time, I removed and cleaned up the ends of the screws, finally with some fine emery paper until they were silky smooth. Filed down and used emery paper on the washer to get some removal of the deep gouges, and decided to fix it to the end of the secondary holder with a few spots of silicon. Firstly to stop it falling off when removing the secondary holder. Secondly to make the three collimating screw ends contact clean metal away from the early marks which covered much of the surface at the radius of contact.

Drilled holes in the secondary holder (on opposite side to the focusser), one for the wires to exit, one to provide access to the temperature adjustment pot on the DG-1. Packed the holder with about five balls of cotton wool, put four blobs of silicon on the secondary and put it in place. It fitted very neatly into place and the mirror clip was put back on. See photos. I covered the access hole with a small piece of self adhesive flocking paper since I had plenty. The wires exit a hole fitted with a rubber grommit.

Left some hours to set, then gave the secondary a wash, then reinstalled in the scope. Looking good. Wiring next week.
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Old 22-06-2008, 06:37 PM
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You have done an excellent job Eric looks store bought.

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Old 23-06-2008, 07:23 AM
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looks very neat Eric!
Similar to what I have done for my 8" scope secondary.
Only difference is that I just made a resistor heater which is glued onto a 3mm aluminum elliptical disk which is siliconed to the mirror to help spread out the heat a little..
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Old 23-06-2008, 08:03 AM
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Well done Eric!!!
If the heater still struggles a bit in your climate, don't forget to turn it up.
Also you might have to place sealant around the outer edges of the circuit board, to slow heat loss, just my 2cents.
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Old 23-06-2008, 09:51 AM
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Good work Eric! I have one of these in my scope and they work great.
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Old 27-06-2008, 02:39 PM
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Nicely done Eric. A nice project when the weather doesn't cooperate; it still clouded over in Mel?

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Thought I'd move to a new thread to show my progress on this project.

Elsewhere ( http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=31846 ), I found that the Astrosystems DG-2 heater, while a nice size for the mirror, won't fit in the secondary housing. So I've swapped for the DG-1.

Having connected up 12V (using the dedicated 12V outlet on the Thousand Oaks Dew Heater controller) and checked the circuit was working, I started the mechanicals. Pictures show the heater size relative to the secondary and relative to the secondary holder.

Cleaned up the mirror back with metho and fitted the DG-1 with some automotive silicon (RTV, from Supercheap). Left to cure overnight.

While waiting, took the opportunity to do some work on the mechanicals. Took any sharp edges off the end of the central mounting screw since it may screw through the holder into the cotton wool packing. Stretched the spring a little to give a bit more rigidity. I noticed that the three collimating screws had been chewing into the washer. One at a time, I removed and cleaned up the ends of the screws, finally with some fine emery paper until they were silky smooth. Filed down and used emery paper on the washer to get some removal of the deep gouges, and decided to fix it to the end of the secondary holder with a few spots of silicon. Firstly to stop it falling off when removing the secondary holder. Secondly to make the three collimating screw ends contact clean metal away from the early marks which covered much of the surface at the radius of contact.

Drilled holes in the secondary holder (on opposite side to the focusser), one for the wires to exit, one to provide access to the temperature adjustment pot on the DG-1. Packed the holder with about five balls of cotton wool, put four blobs of silicon on the secondary and put it in place. It fitted very neatly into place and the mirror clip was put back on. See photos. I covered the access hole with a small piece of self adhesive flocking paper since I had plenty. The wires exit a hole fitted with a rubber grommit.

Left some hours to set, then gave the secondary a wash, then reinstalled in the scope. Looking good. Wiring next week.
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Old 27-06-2008, 03:17 PM
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Scott - thanks - about 50% cloud at the moment. Last night - early this morning actually - looked great, clear, dry, but no chance to get out. At least it is not raining. Might be an opportunity this weekend - Sunday - if I can survive predicted 30-40kph winds!!
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:54 AM
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Well it's taken over two months, but I finally got to test out the performance of this project. In two words - spectacularly successful. In rolling fog conditions with the scope very wet with dew, the secondary stayed clean and clear all session which lasted until around 4am. A winner!
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:27 AM
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Eric,
That's great news, you'd wonder how you ever did without it!!
I had mine out last new moon, the night started out dewy and later the temp dropped to -5c and everything froze, except my optics.
The newly installed (3 months ago ) secondary heater kept the mirror clean and clear.
I think it's a necessary addition to all reflectors and to all the G.S.O.'s that share the same sec holders as our scopes.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:27 PM
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Excellent Eric Nicely done.
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