Go Back   IceInSpace > General Astronomy > General Chat
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 24-05-2008, 12:21 PM
xelasnave's Avatar
xelasnave
Gravity does not Suck

xelasnave is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tabulam
Posts: 17,003
Tarot Cards readings can be "ethical"

You may have formed the reasonable impression that I am very selective in what I believe in... in fact I am never sure I believe in anything other than gravity push.
So my friend presents to me he is now into reading Tarot cards..mmm how do you feel about them? how do you think I feel about them?
Yes I dont buy it...and I said so.

From here it gets interesting.
He explained to me what was "really" going on...
"it is a service" he said..
What sort of a service is it if it is basically bul.s..t my repl.

Then he changed my view of what was going on.

He explained the cards (obviously) are open to interpretation and that in an effort to interpret the meaning of the cards with his clients they in effect focused on the areas of their life that for what ever reason they could not deal with and armed with their interpretation of the cards they could make a decision...
In other words he uses the cards to bring them around to recognising what they must deal with...
He gave an example of some folk who were frozen with fear basically because their business was going downhill... their problem was really inactivity to make some hard choices if the business was to survive...
Up to the point where they went to the card reader they had no control.. but for whatever reason the cards enabled them to make a decision ..and a bad decision is better than no decision or indecision...which if nothing else offered hope they may pull thru..needless to say it was not the cards as such but the fact that their belief in the power of the cards to foretell the future they planned a future with the cards sort of reassuring them they were on the right track.

And so from such a strange meaningless superstitious nonsense (with the greatest of respect to those who may believe the cards do hold a magic power) I found I could see how these silly things actually did some real good.

And I guess the experience moreover gave them hope when before they were hopeless.

Anyways just thought I would share this as I think it is so curious that such a positive result could be achieved...and given my lack of faith in everything found it curious that at the end I could say .."well it is a wonderful thing you are doing for folk..."

alex
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24-05-2008, 12:41 PM
Starkler's Avatar
Starkler (Geoff)
4000 post club member

Starkler is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 4,900
I cant say that I agree with the concept of dishing out non-professional potentially life changing advice based on the results of what I believe to be of no greater significance than the roll of a dice. Maybe I missed something?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24-05-2008, 01:34 PM
xelasnave's Avatar
xelasnave
Gravity does not Suck

xelasnave is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tabulam
Posts: 17,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starkler View Post
I cant say that I agree with the concept of dishing out non-professional potentially life changing advice based on the results of what I believe to be of no greater significance than the roll of a dice. Maybe I missed something?
I have spoken to my mate and he can do a reading for you over the net its that good
He does however need permission so if you want a reading that needs to be given..otherwise they wont work...

My view was no different to yours as I indicated but when one thinks that all the advice folk act upon is rarely sort from a professional and one concludes the main aspect that immobilises folk when needing to make choices is courage to at least do something I can see its merit...

Needless to say its not the way I make a move ..I see I act,...many look and freeze... the cards must move them past this point.

But I found it amusing that I could in any form accept there was some good to be had from his intervention..
It is probably similar to folk abdicating their responsibility for a decision on the basis that..."it is all in God's hands".

alex
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24-05-2008, 01:45 PM
xelasnave's Avatar
xelasnave
Gravity does not Suck

xelasnave is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tabulam
Posts: 17,003
And it seems it is the client who arrives at the decision in so far as cards are presented on a ..." this card indicates a problem with a loved one..does that have any significance for you...." hang it I have it figured now I can do the reading if you like..
alex
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24-05-2008, 02:03 PM
cpoc
Registered User

cpoc is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 87
In essence you could say that the cards are used as a pseudo psychiatrist (and lets face it... in many cases all they tend to do is just help us look at what we are/are not doing and help us move past it.)

As for the notion of people taking advice from people who are not qualified... in some cases I'd be more worried about people taking advice from people who claim qualification yet still seem to give horrible advice (or at least in a horrible way)... case in point here is "Dr" Phil... I can't stand the guy and I have mentioned this to others in the past, especially his apparent brute force approach that he seems to take at times... to which the reply tends to be "they needed that to help them make a move" etc.... so I guess for some people it's "Dr" Phil... for others it's Tarot... one persons Hokum is another persons salvation.

To put this in context... I'm a militant atheist who believes in the afterlife and life on other planets with a curiosity and openness to the possibility of some paranormal abilities being real (I subscribe to the "similar to radio waves" theory of thought transference)... so I guess my point is... I don't believe in a number of things... but at the same time I still believe (or am open to) some things that others believe are far fetched and ridiculous.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 24-05-2008, 02:04 PM
Glenhuon (Bill)
Registered User

Glenhuon is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Geraldton, WA
Posts: 1,440
As someone who has a set of said cards I agree with your friends interpretation of thier use. The cards in them selves have no "magikal" properties, they are a sort of aid to decision making by helping to get the possibilities of an action or inaction straight in ones mind. I suppose you could do the same thing by making a list of the pros and cons just as well, but the cards are more fun The problem is when folks start believing that the cards are "telling" them a particular decision is the correct one.

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 24-05-2008, 02:30 PM
Ian Robinson
Registered User

Ian Robinson is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gateshead
Posts: 2,205
Only If You Not Charged For Them.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 24-05-2008, 05:11 PM
xelasnave's Avatar
xelasnave
Gravity does not Suck

xelasnave is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tabulam
Posts: 17,003
Hi Cpoc

The secret with Dr Phil is to remember it is entertainment.
I think I get thought messages sometimes in so far as I get an idea and then read similar on the net only days later..and when that sort of thing happens a few times you can wonder about the odds.

Hi Bill do us a reading a have a good feeling about my future ..is she blonde or brunette???

Hi Ian I feel they could not work with out some fun tickets..

alex
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24-05-2008, 05:23 PM
jjjnettie's Avatar
jjjnettie (Jeanette)
Registered User

jjjnettie is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Monto
Posts: 16,741
My sister had her tea leaves read. And was told the classic " Tall Dark Handsome Stranger will sweep you off your feet" routine. Needless to say she laughed in the womans face and told her she's been married happily for 17 years.
Within months, she found out that her husband had been cheating on her for 11 years. He's latest conquest was their neighbours wife.
My sister was divorced not long afterward and is now married to the tall, handsome, dark haired ex-husband from next door.
Coincidence?
I guess so.
All I know is that my sister has never been happier.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24-05-2008, 06:38 PM
mark3d
Registered User

mark3d is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 268
maybe of interest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 24-05-2008, 07:46 PM
Ian Robinson
Registered User

Ian Robinson is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gateshead
Posts: 2,205
Anyone who puts any credence on any form of sooth saying or fortune telling , is 10c short of a dollar up top. Even more so if they actually paid for the reading ....
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 24-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Glenhuon (Bill)
Registered User

Glenhuon is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Geraldton, WA
Posts: 1,440
We all pay soothsayers and fortune tellers every day Ian, except they call themselves politicians, economists and financial advisers.

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 25-05-2008, 10:52 AM
cpoc
Registered User

cpoc is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjjnettie View Post
My sister had her tea leaves read. And was told the classic " Tall Dark Handsome Stranger will sweep you off your feet" routine. Needless to say she laughed in the womans face and told her she's been married happily for 17 years.
Within months, she found out that her husband had been cheating on her for 11 years. He's latest conquest was their neighbours wife.
My sister was divorced not long afterward and is now married to the tall, handsome, dark haired ex-husband from next door.
Coincidence?
I guess so.
All I know is that my sister has never been happier.
Beyond any amazement at the possible accuracy of her reading, I think it's more amazing that her ex was involved with the wife from next door and she then ended up with the husband from next door... talk about partner swaping Glad she ended up happy though... that is surely the thing that matters.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 10:54 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement