woohoo.. got my first 2" eyepiece :) :)

[elusiver]

42mm gso superview.. she looks very nice.. and of course.. it's raining!

mmm.. 2" barlow's next..

el

[iceman (Mike)]

I'd be interested in hearing how the 42mm goes with your 8" dob - from what I understand, the exit pupil will be too large for your scope and you'll lose FOV or get vignetting. I'm sure Mark or Geoff or someone will elaborate further.

It's been suggested that the 30mm SV is the max you should use with our typical sized dobs.

[ving (David)]

2" EPs are great!
I got the 30mm
swim baby swim!

[elusiver]

thanks for the info mike.. once the weather clears up i'll have a look.. is that what for focal extenders are for?

el

[mch62 (Mark)]

To work out what is the lowest power eyepiece you can use on a reflector multiply your eyes dark adapted pupil size by the focal ratio (f5 for example) this gives the EP size in mm as the lowest power for an obstructed scope.

In this case it would be 35mm eyepiece if your pupil size is 7mm. >>> 7mm x F5 =35mm

The average dark adapted pupil is 7mm but becomes smaller with age and could be as small as 5mm for example at age 40+.
My own pupil size as measured by my optomitrist is 6.5mm and I am over 40.
So this depends on the individual.


OK so what does this mean.

If the exit pupil is to large as in the 42mm in an f5 scope it will be possible to see the central obstruction as a dark blob in the center of the FOV at night.


On my f6 Newtonian I don't have a problem with this at night but during the day it is quite obvious when using the 42mm.

In a **refractor** this does not happen as there is no central obstruction.

If you have ever used a **reflector **during the day you may have seen this with even moderatly power EP's as the exit pupil could be well under 5mm in bright light.

I would stick with the 30mm in the F5 but don't expect to much with these EP's in an F5 scopes.
The outer edge will show stars which don't appear as small points of light as in the center of the field of view.

This is a result of both coma from the mirror and the simpler 5 element design of the eyepiece not working well with fast ratio scopes under f6.

If your new to scopes these abberations may not bother you to much but as you gain experience you will want better .
This will come at a high price.

Below quoted from Televue web site about exit pupil.

Myth #1: A 7-mm exit pupil gives the lowest useful magnification.
Not so! With a refractor there is no limit on the size of the useful exit pupil. Use whatever is necessary to get the field you need to frame the subject. A reflector's low-power limit is reached when the black spot in the exit pupil (caused by the secondary obstruction) becomes obtrusive.
While a 7-mm exit pupil, by matching that of the eye, does give the brightest views of deep-sky objects, it does not necessarily give the best ones. Higher magnifications, despite their smaller exit pupils, will reveal more details, maintain contrast, show fainter stars, and help bypass defects in the eye itself.



Myth #2: Exit pupils larger than 7 mm waste light and resolution.
With refractors larger pupils do waste aperture. But the magnification is so low that the wasted aperture is of little concern: both image brightness and resolution are as great as possible at that magnification. With reflectors, however, larger pupils do waste light, but primarily because the black spot in the pupil caused by the secondary obstruction becomes larger. Both light loss and field shadowing occur with reflectors, but as with refractors there is no resolution loss because of the low power.

Hope this helps.

P.S. I use my 42mm GSO SV in my f7.5 refractor as a finder eyepiece and it works exreamly well at this F ratio.

[mch62 (Mark)]

P.S. when you say focal extender I presume you mean Barlow??

No not really.

But if you already have the 42mm you might want to get the GSO 2" 2x barlow to go with it.

This will give you the equivalent of a 21mm 2" eyepiece but with an easy to use exit pupil distance ( the distance you eye needs to be from the eyepiece) .

You can also unscrew the barlow lens elements and screw them into the bottom of the 42mm EP and this will give you **about** a 28mm eyepiece.

So now you have 3 cheap eyepieces.

Another quote

Myth #6: Barlow lenses degrade image quality.
There may have been some truth to this when Barlows were made with low-index glasses and not specifically designed for use with modern eyepieces. Modern, high-index Barlows actually improve eyepiece performance by reducing astigmatism at the edge of the field. Furthermore, using a Barlow increases the effective f/number of the objective and permits using longer-focal-length eyepieces (with their longer eye relief) for high-magnification viewing

What does this mean >>well your step light cone f5 now becomes an f10 and the light cone is now narrower and this allows the simpler design eyepiece to function better.

The principle behind Televue eyepieces!
They have built in barlows in the eyepiece design.
Don't expect your GSO to become a Televue

[asimov (John)]

Yes, I very nearly went the 42mm just recently, but decided against it for the exit pupil reason. Went the 30mm instead. Seagulls in the F/5 newt, but was expecting that. Still very nice views.