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Old 01-07-2007, 06:45 PM
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Illegal?

Does anybody know if it's illegal to send one of those tiny model rockets..........into orbit?

No really, serious question though.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:42 PM
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Probably. As far as I remember max height for a kite is about 100 metres Got finger wagged at us up in Geraldton some years ago for letting out all of our 300m "kite string". (Telecom cable puller rope)
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:09 PM
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You can bet your bottom dollar it's illegal.

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Old 01-07-2007, 08:56 PM
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No it is not illegal... go ahead put your rocket in orbit... there may be a tax however!
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:45 AM
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Dang, why should it be illegal? It's not a person's place to control, it's all of ours...if somebody wants to explore better than NASA can do, let 'em do it.

I just want to send a small rocket into orbit with the new Sigma Point & Shoot DSLR and have it send pictures back to me, or have it get up before orbit take some pictures, and then parachute down.
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Old 02-07-2007, 02:05 AM
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Actually, you can do it legally - Just contact and get approval from the relevant authorities.

But it's very expensive to send even a small rocket up high and I can help you with raising finance

I happen to have a bank account that has plenty of room for more $$ to fit into it. I offer it's use and what's more I'll even take care of operating the account without any other help

Trust me, I have good financial accumen

Then you can concentrate on the practical aspects of this project.

Give me a call

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Old 02-07-2007, 07:36 AM
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This reminds me of the UK show "Rocket Man" that was screened on 2 earlier this year or last year. If you didn't see this show, you missed an absolute gem! It was interesting that they actually had a group of consultants for the show that made rockets for some of the scenes...some people have great jobs
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:06 AM
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I'm gonna give NASA an email.

FBI is probably gonna raid my house after I email them.
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:52 AM
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I think you would find the only issue with sending an object into space would be passing through controlled airspace on the way up (and down), so you'd need approval but that couldn't be that hard.
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Old 02-07-2007, 09:43 AM
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When I used to launch model rockets some years ago (all prior to 9/11) there were several legal "conditions" that had to be followed.

First of all you could not be within 5km of any airport, ever.

Second if you were near any coastal area you had to give prior notice to the local coast guard so that no one mistook it for an emergency flare going off, causing expensive search and rescue operations.

Third you had to have clearance from local fire brigade re fire hazard issues.

This was all necessary for even an 600-800 foot launch, which was usually the minimum height launch. Typical launch heights for the "tiny model rockets" is up to maybe 3600 feet - hardly orbit! The good news is that small cameras have frequently been used to take pics once the rocket reaches maximum height and the drop chute deploys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_rocket

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrocam


Legally speaking, things have changed now I've been told - even in the US (the home of model rocketry where schools and boy scout groups have been launching models for decades) I believe you now need a special license to even buy the small model rocket propellant engines, and sales of propellant and/or engines has to be recorded and reported to Federal authorities.

As for launching something to the heights you're talking about - amateur groups have reached the 50 mile "space" height - very expensive, very difficult ie a 200-300 kg rocket that's 5-6 metres tall, requiring LOTS of money (and in Australia probably unlimited red tape to launch it) and enormous expertise is required to build these things.
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:00 AM
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Well, I want to do...multi stage, so when one engine is about burn out, another comes on.

Even if I could get like right before going into orbit, it'd be fine. I have no clue how to relay the pictures back if it did get into orbit.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:21 AM
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I remember watching a show on Austar where they were launching bowling balls! One guy launched a huge rocket that they had to get FAA approval (as it was in the US)....
Awesome to watch!

INGO...you may wanna suit up and use a helium balloon to take you to 105,000 feet take yur pics then jump off and fall back to earth....BTW dont forget to take a parachute and do it in the night time!
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Old 02-07-2007, 12:04 PM
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Controlled airspace rules vary between countries, with America being less strict than Australia. The Owens valley in Califonia is a prime hang gliding site and also appears to be used as an airforce training ground. I recall one particularly scary incident out in the middle of the valley; I was heading out to land, about 1000 feet above the ground, when I hear the sound of jet engines - 3 jet fighters fly through below me and another at my height but off to the left. I guess the locals get used to it but when the buggers jump on you from out of nowhere it really gets the adrenaline pumping. This kind of mixed flying is not allowed in Australia.
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Old 02-07-2007, 01:38 PM
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Well I want to put the new Sigma DP1 in it on a timer that takes a picture every 30 seconds or so. Even if the parachute doesn't open and it just falls, the SD card will be okay. To keep the camera from burning up, I could place aerogel underneath it to keep it away from the rockets.

If I were to put it in orbit, I'd need some sort of radio transmitter to get the pictures to me. I have no clue how to do that and I'd probably need a dish.
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