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Old 11-07-2024, 09:37 AM
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Possible disintegration of comet TSUCHINSHAN-ATLAS (C/2023 A3)

Like many, I have been looking forward to and planning observations of the potential bright naked eye comet TSUCHINSHAN-ATLAS (C/2023 A3).

This paper contains some interesting thoughts by Dr. Zdenek Sekanina (formerly at NASA/JPL, and an expert on split and dissolving comets) regarding being cautious about brightness predictions for comet C/2023 A3. The paper analyses recent observations and predicts that the comet is in advanced stages of breaking up and will disintegrate completely before perihelion.

INEVITABLE ENDGAME OF COMET TSUCHINSHAN-ATLAS (C/2023 A3)
Zdenek Sekanina
La Canada Flintridge, California 91011, U.S.A.; ZdenSek@gmail.com
Version July 9, 2024

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https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.06166?fbclid ... J1DiFZBgQ

ABSTRACT
Hopes are being widely expressed that C/2023 A3 could become a naked-eye object about the time of its perihelion passage in late 2024. However, based on its past and current performance, the comet is expected to disintegrate before reaching perihelion. Independent lines of evidence point to its forthcoming inevitable collapse.

The first issue, which was recently called attention to by I. Ferrin, is this Oort cloud comet’s failure to brighten at a heliocentric distance exceeding 2 AU, about 160 days preperihelion, accompanied by a sharp drop in the production of dust (Afρ). Apparent over a longer period of time, but largely ignored, has been the barycentric original semimajor axis inching toward negative numbers and the mean residual increasing after the light-curve anomaly, suggesting a fragmented nucleus whose motion is being affected by a nongravitational acceleration; and an unusually narrow, teardrop dust tail with its peculiar orientation, implying copious emission of large grains far from the Sun but no microscopic dust recently.

This evidence suggests that the comet has entered an advanced phase of fragmentation, in which increasing numbers of dry, fractured refractory solids stay assembled in dark, porous blobs of exotic shape, becoming undetectable as they gradually disperse in space.


If correct, this is disappointing news.

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Old 11-07-2024, 05:49 PM
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This is not good news, was really looking forward to seeing another bright comet, though not expecting it to be as glorious as McNaught in 2008. Will be following further updates with interest.
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Old 12-07-2024, 07:33 AM
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This is one of those cases where I’ll hope that there’s an element missing from the analysis. I was looking forward to it brightening up.
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Sheesh, the cloud just chased me inside and then I read this. Sometimes this hobby is 'character building'. I'm off the watch a rerun of QI.

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Old 13-07-2024, 09:37 AM
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Thanks for the update Joe. Like everyone I'm hoping Tsuchishan can stay intact and give us a show in a few months time!
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Old 13-07-2024, 01:31 PM
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This is not good news, was really looking forward to seeing another bright comet, though not expecting it to be as glorious as McNaught in 2008. Will be following further updates with interest.
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This is one of those cases where I’ll hope that there’s an element missing from the analysis. I was looking forward to it brightening up.
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Sheesh, the cloud just chased me inside and then I read this. Sometimes this hobby is 'character building'. I'm off the watch a rerun of QI.
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Thanks for the update Joe. Like everyone I'm hoping Tsuchishan can stay intact and give us a show in a few months time!
I hope so too. Not trying to burst any bubbles here, just keeping expectations realistic. Comets are fickle and unpredictable. There's always a chance they are wrong. However, the paper seems on my reading, to be based on good methodology and analysis.

There were a couple of people who were going to travel some distance to stay at my dark sky property late September & early October for the comet perihelion. I've told them and they are at least holding off making any advance bookings of airfares.

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Some possible good news regarding this comet.

https://www.spaceweather.com/ is reporting that it is still alive according to NASA.

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Interesting.
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Old 29-08-2024, 10:11 PM
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Good stuff Pete, Life saver,,

It was not showing up in recent attempts due to A) being only 12-13 degrees from Sol. B) not a perfect Horizon plus haziness ..

The last I caught it was before the cloud and showery spell back on 17th Aug virtually horizontal with Venus...
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