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Old 13-07-2025, 03:06 PM
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A question about materials for extension tubes

I want to buy some aluminium tube to make some light, custom extension tubes for my stupid interests. While pipe sells on ID tube sells on OD. I don't want to machine solid alloy because that's just throwing a lot of material I have to pay for away. Though when I get to designing and machining my own focuser that will be different but I have to set the milling machine up before I even consider that.
As for extension tubes I can get tube with a 57.15 (OD) x 5.38mm (Wall thickness). This will give me a 46.36mm ID and not wasting too much taking it out to 2 inches. I can machine that down to a precise 2" internal and make my own top collar, I'll be buying a suitable length of 6060 or 6061 60mm solid round aluminium bar as well (screw on, I can't see well enough to TIG the aluminium, I have the equipment, not the sight).
I won't be buying the 6 metre length at $360, I'll buy maybe 1 metre to have plenty for what I want to play with (no, not a 1 metre extension, extra material to play with later).
Can anyone recommend anything better?
For my application I think my own custom made would be a lot cheaper than finding varying lengths and having slop in the train which I currently have..


EDIT: I just found the supplier in Bathurst (Edcon steel) has 60 x 5 tube, that gives me 50mm ID and minimal machining, $207 +GST for a 6.5M length. I'd use it for other crap I'm sure.

And I forgot about machining the OD down to 2 inches one end to fit into the 2" focus tube, back to the drawing board.......

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Old 13-07-2025, 10:33 PM
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Hi Leo,

Capral Aluminium have the widest range in Australia.
Have a look at the green book (link below) to see what dimensions may suit.
The retail aluminium centres do carry shorter lengths but it will be hit & miss depending on what you want. Worth a phone call I would think.

https://www.capral.com.au/our-system...ues-brochures/

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Thanks Ewen!
They do have a very suitable 57.15mm (2.5 inches) with a strange 5.38 wall thickness but I can't find exactly where they stock it most likely WA. They do have a flat $90 freight rate but I can't afford a full 6.5 metre length and I'm going to call tomorrow and ask if I could buy it by the meter, the $90 flat freight will still be a hard hit but they are the only place with it.
I can bore it out to 50.8 ID for camera adapter (2") one end and still have 3mm wall thickness or thereabouts and the other end machine down approximately to 51 (50.8) OD and still have 3mm wall thickness.
It's ideal but not local. I highly doubt I'd ever use a full length but I may ask an engineer friend locally if he'd have use of it and maybe offset the price going halves (I really don't need that much either but it would get used for something eventually).
Failing that I can buy the 60mm OD x5 tube locally in a 1 metre length for a reasonable price and a 50mm OD x3 cheap, slide the 50mm up the guts of the 60 a few inches and machine one end down to 50.8 leaving a very thin 60mm section wall (.4mm but reinforced with the 50x3 and bonded up the guts. With the locking screws in place I don't see any real issues with doing it that way. The other end I can bore to 50.8. That of course depends on the accuracy of listed sizes, not always exact but I could get lucky. It's a 50 minute drive each way and I may go to Bathurst tomorrow to have a look, I don't know yet,

The 57 with 5mm wall would still be my best option, I'm going to talk to someone from Capral on the phone tomorrow.
My engineer friend recommended 60mm solid bar but I'm throwing away too much material (if only I had a trepanning tool ) and its far from cheap in 6061 t5. If/when I decide to have a go at my own quality focuser I'll buy the 60mm solid but that won't be for a while at this stage.
Or just pay the dollars to get a mix and match set online but I'd rather do my own. Then I just have to learn the anodising process all over (I did it for a living in the early 80s but they had all of the chemicals and equipment, I just provided the man power).
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Leo,

Unless you want to make large numbers of these tubes, making your own is probably a case of diminishing return if not more expensive.

The mass produced ones have extra tube thickness on the end piece for the locking thread, a brass compression ring and internally threaded to act as baffling and reduce internal reflections and they are black anodised. I suspect the cost of the black anodising is probably almost as much as buying the extension tubes.

Have a roam around Ali Express, EBay, Amazon etc and see if you can find a finished piece that you can modify if you need something shorter.

The other option is to check scrap metal merchants or scrap bins of an engineering works. If you're lucky, they'll sell you stuff retrieved from the scrap bin at scrap weight cost or just give it to you.

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The grade of aluminium matters as well. You will want it suitable for machining as well.
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Leo,

Unless you want to make large numbers of these tubes, making your own is probably a case of diminishing return if not more expensive.

The mass produced ones have extra tube thickness on the end piece for the locking thread, a brass compression ring and internally threaded to act as baffling and reduce internal reflections and they are black anodised. I suspect the cost of the black anodising is probably almost as much as buying the extension tubes.

Have a roam around Ali Express, EBay, Amazon etc and see if you can find a finished piece that you can modify if you need something shorter.

The other option is to check scrap metal merchants or scrap bins of an engineering works. If you're lucky, they'll sell you stuff retrieved from the scrap bin at scrap weight cost or just give it to you.

Joe

Thanks Joe!


As it is it's just a practice to get some machining in, I have the lathe, still as new with minimal use. Many of the commercial units I have do not have the ridging internally to reduce reflections though my little 35mm GSO does, it's simply a thin threaded section, I can do that it's only time which really means nothing on a pension. It's more about a precise length I need for a camera and 5 times powermate. It's not something made as one unit though I could mix and match to get the length I need but I'll machine one. Too many joints introduces slop and misalignment.
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We don't have any engineering shops locally, Capral have the size I want and I've contacted them to see if they'll give me a smaller section. Like most materials I buy, even if I did buy a 6 metre length I'd eventually use it for something, I do a lot of weird projects.
The anodising itself is cheap, basic kitchen ingredients to do it including black food dye. I'm not sure on the end result (and will look into the proper chemicals), last time I did anodising I worked at an electroplating place in Carnarvon St Silverwater where I ran the zinc and anodising tanks, AH, Westwood Winters, Wow, I even remembered the companies name (eventually). That was early to mid 80's WOW, I'm getting old.


Hmm, they are still in business, sadly the old owner will be long deceased (Merve Westwood) so I won't push my luck on getting some cheap work done there.

We no longer have any local engineering shops or I'd have scored an off cut of 60mm solid alloy. I have some 125mm 7075 and some 40mm 7075 but I'm not wasting the 125mm, I have a job for it, the 40mm I've misplaced, probably laying in the corner of my little garden shed or maybe under the crate with the new milling machine in, I had to roll the crate up a ramp and in the door somehow.
My friend used to give me most of my materials free before he shut down ( I had the option to go in and take almost anything I wanted when he shut down but I couldn't bring myself to do that to a friend (I always do his and his wife's business computers free, he's a good friend and has helped me out a lot)) He wouldn't accept cash for materials he'd paid a fortune for and I do not like ripping anyone off, let alone people I consider friends (a conscience can't be removed, not alcohol and not surgery (I don't drink now for over 30 years)).
If I had the lathe capacity I'd look into friction welding 50mm inside 60mm with 5mm wall, it's just spinning one up at a suitable speed, my Chinese lathe won't do that or I highly doubt it would. It would be a lot of time with trial and error and I doubt I'd succeed. I could try and fuse it with my plasma cutter but I think I'd blow more away than I'd fuse.





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The grade of aluminium matters as well. You will want it suitable for machining as well.
Doug I'm reasonably familiar with the grades and believe 6060/6061 is fine with good corrosion resistance, machinability and weldability, not that I'm setting up my TIG, I can't even see to use it. I'm OK on the MIG or arc but TIG is what I excelled at 25+ years ago, not now.
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Mate, have you given Oberon Engineering a call?
https://www.obeeng.com.au/
They may or may not have what you're after, but they're not too far up the road and might be able to steer you in the direction of someone local who could help. Just a thought.
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Thanks Warren, I'll give them a call tomorrow.
We used to have 2 great sources in Lithgow, one is my friend, he moved his machinery up to his place at Clarence but not doing much now and not stocking the range of materials he used to keep, the other old fellow shut up shop at Lithgow valley engineering and Bunnings just don't cut it when it comes to metals. Plus I can buy a 6.5metre length of steel for what they charge for a 2 metre length. Their aluminium sections are sparse at best and seriously over priced. I really have to be desperate to buy it there, a trip to Edcon in Bathurst is better, I'll probably go to Bathurst a little later in the week.
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