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Old 21-05-2007, 05:38 PM
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'Cutty Sark' destroyed by fire

Anyone who has any link to Maritime History will be shocked to learn the 'Cutty Sark' the last Tea Clipper, which was in dry dock in Greenwich, England, has been destroyed by fire, possibly deliberately lit.

Another bit of history gone.

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Old 21-05-2007, 05:56 PM
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Visited this as a kid.

Sad news.
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Old 21-05-2007, 06:35 PM
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Oh dear! That is certainly a loss to History. Not good.

Possibly deliberatley lit!!! Even worse.
I was fascinated by paintings of the Cutty Sark when I was very young! She was a magnificent example of fine craftsmenship and beautiful detail.

To remember the old girl, here are 2 pics and a painting of her.
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Old 21-05-2007, 06:54 PM
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why would they do that?
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Old 21-05-2007, 06:57 PM
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that's very, very sad
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Old 21-05-2007, 10:27 PM
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This news has turned my stomach. I used to build models of the Cutty Sark as a kid and have always loved it as a fabulous ship that it was.

If it was deliberaty lit, I that hope they find these *******s and dissect them on an operating table to find out what makes people like these tick.

It appears that although it was badly damaged, it wasn't a write-off. You can go to the following webpage and help out if you are interested:

http://www.cuttysark.org.uk/index.cf...dtwvowobgzrrrg

Terrible, terrible news.

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Police are treating as suspicious a fire that engulfed the Cutty Sark, one of Britain’s best-preserved maritime treasures, early today.

Half of the 19th-century tea clipper's timber and the artefacts kept on board had been removed from the site as part of a £25 million conservation project, but the rest of the vessel has been substantially damaged.

Firefighters were called to the historic ship, preserved in dry dock in Greenwich, south-east London, at 4.45am. The fire began on the bottom deck and, at the peak of the blaze, the flames stood 6ft above the top deck, according to Cyril O’Brien, the borough fire commander who was in charge at the scene of the blaze.

Police believe the fire on board the ship, closed during its renovation, may have begun in suspicious circumstances. They are appealing for witnesses who saw people near the ship early this morning, and a silver car that was reported driving away from the scene.

The Queen and the Duke are due to visit Greenwich tomorrow. It is not known if they will extend their stay to see what has happened to the ship.

Inspector Bruce Middlemiss, from Greenwich Borough police, said: "We are treating the fire as suspicious as we would any fire of this scale and importance. There are indications from local borough CCTV that there were people in the area at the time that this fire started. There’s no indication at this stage that these people were involved, they may merely be witnesses."
A 200-metre cordon was placed around the ship on the banks of the Thames, and Scotland Yard confirmed that nobody was injured during the fire. The night watchman and staff on site are being interviewed at Plumstead police station.

Chris Livett, the chairman of Cutty Sark Enterprises, the fundraising arm of the Cutty Sark Trust, confirmed that some of the most important parts of the ship, including the masts, the jolly boat, half the planking and artefacts including the carved figurehead and paintings of the ship, were all safely in storage because of the renovation work.

"I know it’s salvageable," Mr Livett said. "This ship has been through many things. She’s over 100 years old. She’s been through recessions, storms, hurricanes. She’s been battling all her life. She’s not dead yet, far from it."
This morning workmen were carrying out urgent repairs on the shoring timbers which hold the ship upright in dry dock, and it was not yet safe to examine the extent of the damage on board. The biggest fears were not for the ship's wooden beams, which were so old and hard that they had survived with little more than surface charring, but for the wrought iron structure of the ship.

"We fear that some of the cast iron framework of the ship may have been warped. I can see significant buckling on some of the frames holding the deck up," Mr Livett said.

By 8.30am the blaze was out, but fire officers were still directing cooling sprays into the smoking ruins. Little could be seen of the ship itself except the white bowsprit still sticking out towards the river - the woodwork around it was a blackened mess.

The building erected around the ship while conservation work went on was gutted, with nothing left but a skeleton of blackened iron girders. Yards away, however, the white-tented entrance building, which resembles a hedgehog, remained untouched except for a light dusting of ash.
The stink of burning hung around the scene despite a breeze. Helicopters hovered overhead as police maintained the barriers sealing off Greenwich town centre.

Richard Doughty, the chief executive of the Cutty Sark Trust, said that the distinctive tang of timber and ropes familiar to all visitors to the vessel had been destroyed. "She was the Ferrari of her day because she was the epitome of speed under sail. When you lose the original fabric, you lose the touch of the craftsmen. You lose history itself."
Asked if the fire could have been started deliberately Mr Doughty said that he did not believe that it had been caused by the conservation work, which had stopped as usual on Friday afternoon, leaving the ship empty over the weekend.

"I find it hard to believe that anything we’ve done could have set the ship alight," he said. "There isn’t anything electrical at the heart of where the fire started, which was pretty much in the middle at the bottom. I can’t think of anything there apart from wood and metal."

A Transport for London spokeswoman said the northern section of Greenwich’s one-way system was closed. Cutty Sark station, closed earlier, has reopened and the Docklands Light Railway is running as normal. Greenwich Foot Tunnel, also shut earlier, has now reopened. A number of buses have been diverted.

The fire brigade was initially unable to tackle the fire fully after finding gas cylinders and chemicals used in the conservation work stored near the ship, and fearing that some might have been left on board over the weekend. Residents in nearby buildings were evacuated because of fears of an explosion.

Ian Allchin, a press officer with London Fire Brigade, told Times Online that the firefighters' efforts were hampered. "Initially, we were in defensive mode, with crews standing well back from the flames," he said. "We were able to confirm within about 45 minutes that there were no hazards on board, and began to fight the fire aggressively."

Buckingham Palace issued a statement on behalf of the Duke of Edinburgh, who is president of the Cutty Sark Trust: "The Duke was sorry to hear of the fire, this sad setback to an important example of our national maritime heritage.

"The Duke takes a close interest in historic ships and their preservation for future generations and as president of the Cutty Sark Trust since 2000 he has been working closely with them in support of their fundraising."
The 280ft ship has been closed since November 2006 and was due to reopen in 2009. It needed substantial repairs because sea salt had speeded up the corrosion of her iron framework.

The Cutty Sark is the last remaining tea-clipper, one of hundreds of ships that would sail to China carrying manufactured goods and return to the UK laden with tea from Shanghai.

First launched in 1869, the Cutty Sark was built for Jock Willis, known as 'White Hat Willis' for his trademark white top hat. He named the ship after the Scots phrase for a short petticoat, worn by a fleet-footed witch in Robert Burns' poem Tam O'Shanter.
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Old 21-05-2007, 11:18 PM
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A sad loss, seeing tall ships like that is a real living link with history. I hope they are able to salvage something from it.
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Old 21-05-2007, 11:55 PM
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Old 22-05-2007, 01:23 AM
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What a sad, tragic loss, she was one of my favourites, as I too loved to build models of her and other famous ships.
What a waste when these things are done deliberately.

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Old 22-05-2007, 10:41 AM
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What a sick abominable thing to do.
Dissection is too good for them. I have a beautiful painting of the Cutty Sark - it has been hanging on our wall for as long as I can remember. I have also seen her at Greenwich.
All I can hope is that they fixed up Windsor Castle, after that devastating fire and with our great maritime tradition, they will fix up the Cutty Sark.
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Old 22-05-2007, 11:23 AM
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........All I can hope is that they fixed up Windsor Castle, after that devastating fire and with our great maritime tradition, they will fix up the Cutty Sark.
I had the opportunity to visit Windsor after the full restoration and it was marvellous result. They brought artisans from far and wide to do the job and the results were spectacular. I expect that, if the funds are available, they will do the same here and it'll become even more greatly loved and visited.
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Old 22-05-2007, 02:27 PM
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whats happeing with this world? if its deliberate they should lock up terh culprits till i get to england (ie never). it cant be just bored teens, surely!
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Old 22-05-2007, 03:46 PM
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Very sad - saw it in 2005 along with the "Victory" in Portsmouth. Both were great.
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Old 22-05-2007, 08:46 PM
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Very sad news, hopefully she can be fully restored and remain part of Britains proud maritime history. Hope the security is doubled around HMS Victory
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Old 22-05-2007, 11:06 PM
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To go with the pic I posted earlier of the aerial shot of the burnt out Cutty Sark, here is one from Google Earth before the burn-out!

If you want to have a look at it, go to 'Greenwich' in Google Earth. It is on display down next to the river
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Old 23-05-2007, 10:58 AM
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My wife is in England at the moment and I phoned her up last nite. She said that the buzz around town is that it was an inside job - ie contractor late, no money etc.. Wicked.
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Old 23-05-2007, 11:00 AM
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If anything happened to the Victory - wow - that would put Britain on a war footing I reckon.
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Old 23-05-2007, 08:49 PM
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war is for primates, and i say we are lower then primates.
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