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Old 04-03-2023, 07:51 PM
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Life Before CGI

George Lucas before he discovered CGI and ruined his work.
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Old 05-03-2023, 03:29 AM
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The fact that so much energy has been devoted to mere fiction and make believe does not cause humans to question their behaviour seems lost on all and I wonder if such would be noticed above other strange patterns if we were being examined by an alien species.

Does our propensity to indulge limitless fiction and primitive superstition entitle us to call our species intelligent?

And of course if the items in the photo were to be auctioned many humans would clamour to offer money in exchange for ownership which somehow must further errode any claim to meaningful intelligence.



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Old 05-03-2023, 06:57 AM
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The fact that so much energy has been devoted to mere fiction and make believe does not cause humans to question their behaviour seems lost on all and I wonder if such would be noticed above other strange patterns if we were being examined by an alien species.

Does our propensity to indulge limitless fiction and primitive superstition entitle us to call our species intelligent?

And of course if the items in the photo were to be auctioned many humans would clamour to offer money in exchange for ownership which somehow must further errode any claim to meaningful intelligence.



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Soooo... I gather from your response that you are not a Sci-Fi fan and you think such indulgence in fiction equates to lesser intelligence. I have to disagree with you on this ... I love Sci-Fi and have since I was a kid and I certainly do not consider myself less intelligent than someone who exclusively devotes their time in a non-fiction world. Sci-Fi is a temporary escapism from this world which is paramount to mental health. No different to someone who smokes a joint .. just a different medium of travel.

I think I am slowly working you out Alex ... you are a Vulcan ... Live Long and Prosper. I would insert a picture of me doing the Vulcan sign, but I have never been able to do it ... maybe it is due to my lesser intelligence or poor dexterity ... how did I function as an Instrument Fitter for so many years??

Long live George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, JJ Abrams, Isaac Asimov ... and all the others.
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Old 05-03-2023, 09:02 AM
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That is one impressive photo, Hans. And well put, I concur with your comments. It can be argued that Lucas went overboard, but he did state that he felt he had reached the limits of what he wanted to do and CGI gave him the ability to move forward.
CGI has now reached the point that it's possible to create the visuals in SF stories that once were the stuff of dreams and imagination. I recently watched The Expanse on Prime and thought it was brilliant, it was great to see the worlds that were created in the books brought to life on a screen. Another one is Altered Carbon, a vastly different world but brilliantly imagined.
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Old 05-03-2023, 09:53 AM
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Soooo... I gather from your response that you are not a Sci-Fi fan and you think such indulgence in fiction equates to lesser intelligence. I have to disagree with you on this ... I love Sci-Fi and have since I was a kid and I certainly do not consider myself less intelligent than someone who exclusively devotes their time in a non-fiction world. Sci-Fi is a temporary escapism from this world which is paramount to mental health. No different to someone who smokes a joint .. just a different medium of travel.

I think I am slowly working you out Alex ... you are a Vulcan ... Live Long and Prosper. I would insert a picture of me doing the Vulcan sign, but I have never been able to do it ... maybe it is due to my lesser intelligence or poor dexterity ... how did I function as an Instrument Fitter for so many years??

Long live George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, JJ Abrams, Isaac Asimov ... and all the others.
Hi Hans,

I once enjoyed sci fi. AND indeed all sorts of fiction...that does not mean that it is right or there is justification ..it just means we accept fiction as normal...why should it be...why pretend..are there not enough accounts of various humans doing real things that we could not only learn from but also entertain us...I merely suggest a different reality where reality is all important.

Enjoyment of fiction extends to folk of high intellect and we accept fiction as reasonable simply because it is there...however I think it is a waste of time to indulge fantasy particularly when there is so much real stuff to learn about...And maybe I am the first human to step back and point this out and in time other intelligent folk will say " well yes he has a really good point there"

I don't find your claim that escapism is from this world is paramount to mental health holds meaning unless you qualify " mental health" with either "good" or "bad" but assuming you mean " good mental health" I would be interested to review any research that you know of on the matter or if you just made that up.

I was particularly fond of the work of Isaac Asimov but found his articles on real science more interesting and more useful.

Perhaps when I step back and look at our culture which is steeped in superstition and swill from Hollywood I feel that we really could do better by giving more attention to things that are real.

It seems a pity to me that in your attempt to analyse me that you firstl relate me to a fictional character rather than perhaps seek out some real person from history who may have shared a similar outlook... I expect that within the wide choice of philosophers from the past I perhaps could be parralleled to someone "real" rather than just someone made up that I presume you select because to hold my view on fiction means that I am without emotion...that is not the case and so I don't see any point in your reference.

Just imagine a world where role models were sought from the pletera of real hero's, rather than characters invented by mere authors to appeal to some macho image that young males think are "tuff" and "cool" with smart lines and a heavy reliance on violence...

Imagine a world where being someone of peace was presented as superior to someone who fits the role of a Hollywood hero.

Imagine a world where reality was more important than make believe.

Just things to think about.

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Old 08-03-2023, 08:59 PM
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Just a quick word on George Lukas.
About 30 years ago my then 10 year old son wrote a letter, by hand, to George about a computer game problem.
He received a hand written reply. We were impressed.
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