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Old 09-04-2019, 01:22 AM
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Take me to India

We going to India at the end of October. Doing the Golden Triangle then flying to Amritsar and driving up into the lower Himalayas. The country is huge, just this is taking 3 weeks.

Has anyone been there before? Any words of wisdom at all ?

We are a little apprehensive about this trip. Hotels are expensive compared to Asia and hygiene is definitely questionable. But never been there before so gotta be worth a look.
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Old 09-04-2019, 09:22 AM
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Hey Robin,

Wow that is gonna be a fantastic trip.

Regarding 'huge'... Well quite big maybe. About the same size as Western Australia which I agree is quite big. And of course, we have only 3 million people here in WA! Whereas they've squeezed in about 1,300 million people into the same space !!!

But you're allowing plenty of time. Loads to see of course and I'd love to have it on my bucket list but my Mrs is never gonna be a fan of India from the hygiene pov.

Enjoy!
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There's lots to see and we've managed to squeeze in some small towns like Bundi to the south and Pragpur to the north but are bypassing Pushkar. The camel fair will be on and about half a million Indians descend on the place and camp in the desert. Hotels charge about $400/night while it's on.

My kids been to Southern India for work, Hyderabad I think. He doesn't want to go back. Asked him what he thought of it and he just says 5hitHole
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Old 09-04-2019, 11:53 AM
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Just learn to say “Jai Hind! Jai Jawaan! Jai Kisan! Jai Bohle ki!” and you’ll do just fine

Look up “Bald and Bankrupt” channel on YouTube - he has done a massive India series (and I find him entertaining).

“Delhi belly” is no joke so buy sealed water (though my worst case of it was “acquired” in Dubai).

Not sure I’d be going to India - especially Amritsar - right now with the tension and conflict looming with Pakistan...though might be the last chance to see it!!!
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:14 PM
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Hi Robin,

I have travelled extensively through India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan.

What I like about the sub-continent is that all five senses work overtime.

For example, when you wait on a railway station say here or in Europe
the wait is usually dull.

By contrast, in India or Pakistan on a railway platform, everything is
happening. Porters with colourful turbans, dudes carrying impossible
numbers of cardboard boxes/tifins/suitcases/bales, dudes climbing up
on the roof of the train, dudes hanging outside the doors of moving
trains, the sight of an otherwise tough looking conductor and guard
standing on the platform holding pinkies (why do they do that? ).

Not to mention the smells or the cacophony of sounds.

In all that chaos with all your senses on overload and your wits about
you, you feel alive.

But it is not for everyone. In fact it is not for most people I know.
Some family and friends I think would just die.

India can be a frustrating, bureaucratic, place. You need to stay calm
but improvise so that your journey may progress. Expect illogical
Pythonesque arguments. If you get on the airport bus, have waited
half an hour with no driver in sight, go sit in the driver's seat and
look as if you might be about to drive it yourself. The driver
suddenly materialises in a panic and you are on your way.

You are obviously travelling on a bigger budget than I ever did.
The curious thing about India is that you can go from the poorest of
the poor to the richest of the rich. I mean eye-watering rich where
there are more billionaires (some 151 of them) in Mumbai than there
are in New York city.

So you can find yourself in exclusive clubs with servants and uniformed
toilet attendants that go through the motion of brushing dandruff
from the collar of your casual shirt with a camel hair brush.

Or you can find yourself in slums.

I would never have spent more than a few dollars on accommodation.
At a Salvation Army hostel in Calcutta, I was directed to my small room
which contained one large bed which for a few nights I shared with
six young American and European woman who were also backpacking
and who had been assigned the same room and bed.

What do you expect for only two dollars a night?

Always be careful around Amritsar and the palace.

If there are elections or political rallies on, stay clear.

Watch yourself in large crowds at festivals. I've nearly been crushed
to death in the enthusiasm of a crowd. Once your feet no longer are making
contact with the ground and you are being swept forth like in a strong surf
you are no longer in control. In my instance police beating at the
crowd with fold-up wooden chairs quelled their enthusiasm.

Chai is just mixed up in one big pot with milk and sugar and that's
how it comes. The sweetness helps when it is hot and you are sweating.

Never eat salads or fruit you did not peel yourself.

Always agree on a price of a fare before you travel. If the driver
says "as you wish" and waggles his head, offer some nominal amount
and if he repeats "as you wish", it generally means he is in agreement
and trusting your generosity.

If you are game and it is not hot, I always like to ride on the roof of
the bus, but wear a long sleeved jacket for the times when draping
power lines brush over you. Thankfully the power is so unreliable that
they are not live most of the time.

I hired a jeep with a driver once to take me from New Siliguri
to a border town on the Indian side of the Nepalese border
and along the way a whole village had turned out on the highway
to stone the vehicle. Even grandmothers were throwing rocks.
I told the driver "drive!" as rocks pounded us. I don't think
it was anything personal. I had never been on that stretch of
highway my entire life. But I am not about to pass through there again.

You will see more amazing things in an hour than you would staying
at home for a year. At times you will be in awe and amazement.
At other times frustrated and angry. But keep your emotions in check.
Remember, you are simply passing through.

Best Regards

Gary

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Cheers Gary. We have a driver lined up for the entire trip. All 23 days. About day 10 we drive from Agra back to Delhi and go straight to the airport for the flight to Amristar. The driver is going to drop us off and then drive to Amristar to meet up with us again the next morning. So Amristar airport to the Ramada is the only taxi we should need to negotiate.

We always buy sim cards in the country we're travelling in but in India they want 2 forms of ID (photocopies and sighted originals) plus a passport photo to buy each sim. These terror attacks have them on edge I guess.

I can't register on the train website either. Every time I try it takes $2 off my credit card but still says I need to pay. For a country with such a high level of computer skills it's hard to believe the rail authority has such dodgy software. We want to catch the toy train from Shimla to Kalka down the mountain towards the end of the trip. Again the driver will drop us at Shimla station and meet us in Kalka. I'll get the agent in Delhi to buy us those tickets before we arrive. It's like $6 each for a 5 hour trip but you have to book in advance, the rail network is overloaded.

We have also booked a jeep but that's in Ranthambore Tiger Reserve for a half day safari. I didn't think open top jeeps and tigers where a good mix.
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Hi Robin

As every one else has pointed out, don't drink the water unless from sealed bottles, only eat cooked food and fruit you peel yourself. I spent 6 weeks there many years ago in 1988, mainly in Kashmir, to ski the Himalayas near where a lot of border skirmishes with Pakistan are still happening. Mainly traveled by train and bus which was pretty cheap and comparatively safe though the traffic in the cities makes our peak hours look a doddle.
Your senses will be assaulted by the contrasts of humanity and living conditions. Just be careful in crowds and around tourist meccas as there are pickpockets around who love rich ( to them ) tourists not keeping their wits about them.
Keep your mind open to the experiences that you will encounter because it will be an experience that will change your outlook on what life is like for a lot of people. The contrast between something as beautiful as the Taj Mahal and the shanty slums in the cities or the Himalayas and the deserts are something you will remember for life.
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Cheers Gary. We have a driver lined up for the entire trip. All 23 days. About day 10 we drive from Agra back to Delhi and go straight to the airport for the flight to Amristar. The driver is going to drop us off and then drive to Amristar to meet up with us again the next morning. So Amristar airport to the Ramada is the only taxi we should need to negotiate.
Hi Robin,

Too easy!

You will travelling in style like a Mughal prince.

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I can't register on the train website either. Every time I try it takes $2 off my credit card but still says I need to pay. For a country with such a high level of computer skills it's hard to believe the rail authority has such dodgy software. We want to catch the toy train from Shimla to Kalka down the mountain towards the end of the trip. Again the driver will drop us at Shimla station and meet us in Kalka. I'll get the agent in Delhi to buy us those tickets before we arrive. It's like $6 each for a 5 hour trip but you have to book in advance, the rail network is overloaded.
It was a big deal when they computerized the rail booking system.

Back in the day you use to queue for long periods at one booking
office to get your train ticket. They would then issue you with a chit
(Indians love chits) that often you had to take to the other side of
town to a totally different booking office to make your seat or sleeper
reservation.

Remarkably the train would pull into the station late at night and
there would be a carbon copy list attached via a spring clip to the side of each
carriage and lo and behold your hand-typed name would appear there.

One of the world's most astounding sights use to be walking into the
backroom of the ticket office of any railway station in India or Pakistan.

There would be piles and piles of ageing, yellowing ledgers going back
to the days of the Raj with every single booking ever made hand scribed
in them. They never threw anything away. There would invariably be
this equally old clerk with thick glasses and one of those visors accountants
use to wear. Walking into those rooms use to be like going back in a time
machine. Even the light bulbs were old and yellow for the complete
atmospheric experience. Then came the computers which never were
as reliable as those ledgers and clerks.

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We have also booked a jeep but that's in Ranthambore Tiger Reserve for a half day safari. I didn't think open top jeeps and tigers where a good mix.
LOL.

I've never seen one, but if they are like lion in Africa, they are totally
obvious to you in a vehicle. Most wild cats attack from the rear so sit up
front.
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