Astronauts survive rocket failure.

Tropo-Bob (Bob) · #1 11-10-2018, 09:42 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-1...ction/10366556

It will be interesting to hear more about this.

JA · #2 11-10-2018, 10:12 PM

Thanks for the link Bob

Best
JA

multiweb (Marc) · #3 12-10-2018, 08:01 AM

I says a lot for the russians to bring them both back in one piece. They might have got a little more Gs than they've bargained for on the way down but they walked out of it. Soyuz has to be the most reliable launcher in rocket history. If it ain't broke... I feel sorry for the US bloke. It was his first flight and he probably was looking forward to it. I wonder if there's a back of the queue policy or he'll get the next launch.

DeWynter (ILYA) · #4 12-10-2018, 08:06 AM

As being ex-Soviet and always into astronomy, space exploration etc. I'd say this is the very last nail into Russian space exploration coffin. First sputnik, first man in space, first woman in space, first man in open space, first, first, first etc. Lots of great achievements. Seriously. Then it was US moon landing and that's where the declination slowly started. Just very slowly. The next huge mistake was Russian space shuttle. And now the last 15-10 years it was falling at 10m/s^2. Now I can say - the Soviet/Russian era in space is over. RIP.

LewisM · #5 12-10-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DeWynter

As being ex-Soviet and always into astronomy, space exploration etc. I'd say this is the very last nail into Russian space exploration coffin. First sputnik, first man in space, first woman in space, first man in open space, first, first, first etc. Lots of great achievements. Seriously. Then it was US moon landing and that's where the declination slowly started. Just very slowly. The next huge mistake was Russian space shuttle. And now the last 15-10 years it was falling at 10m/s^2. Now I can say - the Soviet/Russian era in space is over. RIP.

Seriously, ONE failure of the system in a LONG time, with ZERO loss of life (as compared to the American explosive catastrophic failures) and you call the Russian space system over? Get a grip. US can't even launch anything without private enterprise or Russian engines (like with their Atlas rockets). How many people have the Yanks taken to the ISS recently? Hmmmmm. Buran was not a failure - it was a consequence of Yeltsin succumbing to American pressure and selling out Russia to America - literally more important things were needed than a Russian shuttle. Ukraine sold it's soul to the west, and now it is a dictatorial Nazi state. Well done Ukrops.

Do some research before commenting the nonsense please.

LewisM · #6 12-10-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tropo-Bob

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-1...ction/10366556

It will be interesting to hear more about this.

Both cosmonaut/astronaut survived - I'd say a superb launch system. Failures happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiPLx_RXYPA

Allan_L (Allan) · #7 12-10-2018, 11:18 AM

You may have a point of view, but others are entitled to their opinion too Lewis, without fear of abuse, derision or bullying. IMHO

LewisM · #8 12-10-2018, 11:35 AM

You may have a point Allan, but I'll stick to mine at the moment, especially considering the current thinking going on in Russia and NASA and even some European circles about WHY the failure occurred and how.

Watch this one VERY closely.

And my comment was neither bullying or derision. Are we coming to a stage in the modern world where every differing opinion or argument is shouted out as bullying?

bojan · #9 12-10-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Allan_L

You may have a point of view, but others are entitled to their opinion too Lewis, without fear of abuse, derision or bullying. IMHO

Abuse, bullying? where?

LewisM · #10 12-10-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bojan

Abuse, bullying? where?

Thank you Bojan - precisely.

RB (Andrew) · #11 12-10-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

And my comment was neither bullying or derision. Are we coming to a stage in the modern world where every differing opinion or argument is shouted out as bullying?

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Originally Posted by bojan

Abuse, bullying? where?

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Originally Posted by LewisM

Thank you Bojan - precisely.

I've removed the Russian text in your post Lewis.
Although not technically bullying, it could be considered a personal attack.
Differing views allowed, not personal attacks.

Also I don't want this thread turning into another government vs government bashing.

RB

AndyG (Andy) · #12 12-10-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

Buran was not a failure

Didn't that thing autonomously land itself during testing? Not a bad party trick, to be honest.

LewisM · #13 12-10-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Didn't that thing autonomously land itself during testing? Not a bad party trick, to be honest.

Indeed it did. The entire flight was automated. It's demise was solely at the hand of economics at a dire point in history.

This Soyuz crew survived a 20G plus emergency, and manage to walk away (as seen in the video I posted). Pretty sufficient and effective system!

An interesting video on Buran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwLx4L5NRU0

glend (Glen) · #14 12-10-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

You may have a point Allan, but I'll stick to mine at the moment, especially considering the current thinking going on in Russia and NASA and even some European circles about WHY the failure occurred and how.

Watch this one VERY closely.

And my comment was neither bullying or derision. Are we coming to a stage in the modern world where every differing opinion or argument is shouted out as bullying?

It's the way you phrase things Lewis. Diplomacy still has a place in discussions, regardless of what you may think of someone else's opinion. After all there is a chance that someday you might be wrong about something.

LewisM · #15 12-10-2018, 12:44 PM

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It's the way you phrase things Lewis. Diplomacy still has a place in discussions, regardless of what you may think of someone else's opinion. After all there is a chance that someday you might be wrong about something.

Doubtful

I just call a spade a spade. As undiplomatic as that.

DeWynter (ILYA) · #16 12-10-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisM

Seriously, ONE failure of the system in a LONG time...

ONE failure? Well... Please DO research! What about recent hole in a space ship that was fixed with epoxy? What about all recent launches that ended up in the Pacific Ocean? There is even a saying "Submerged Space Fleet" about all these launches. Seriously, there are lots of articles on wikipedia with all incidents and failures. NASA is in a process of replacing all RD-0210/0211 & RD-0213/0214 with BE-4 from Blue Origin. It's happening. Slowly, but happening. The current Soyuz is based on the R-7 rocket from 1957. Yes, it's a very robust and reliable rocket, but it's 50 years old. Proton-M is faulty because of low quality components were used recently. The only new rocket they've got is Angara which is 25 years old and had only two (2) successful launches.

With all these glory Soviet space program had, everything that's happening right now is really breaking my heart.

Sorry, I'll stay away from Russia vs Ukraine debates simply because:
1. I'm not from Russia.
2. I'm not from Ukraine.
(Yet I do speak Russian as all former soviet people)

deanm (Dean) · #17 12-10-2018, 01:06 PM

I'm surprised no-one seems to have made the link between the recent drilled-hole 'sabotage' found on an ISS-docked Soyuz vehicle, and this failure event.
The conspiracy theorists should be reasonably quick to join the dots...!
Dean

deanm (Dean) · #18 12-10-2018, 01:07 PM

Oh! Ilya beat me to it...!
Dean

Tropo-Bob (Bob) · #19 12-10-2018, 01:25 PM

My thoughts are now turning to those stuck in the ISS; it looks like they are not coming home any time soon.

Were some due to come back if this mission had been successful? How long have they been up there?

glend (Glen) · #20 12-10-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tropo-Bob

My thoughts are now turning to those stuck in the ISS; it looks like they are not coming home any time soon.

Were some due to come back if this mission had been successful? How long have they been up there?

SpaceX have a Dragon crew capsule at the Cape ready to go. It was originally scheduled to do a test flight in November I believe but they pushed it back to January 2019 due to paper work approvals. In a real emergency they could probably get it there.