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Old 17-12-2006, 02:59 PM
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Wanted - artificial star

If anyone has one of these handy little collimation tools they no longer need I'd be happy to hear from you.

Either a bought one or home made (but works well) will do.

PM me with price

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Old 17-12-2006, 03:20 PM
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Have you thought of using a stainless steel round head nut and bolt pushed through a balck piece of fabric. Only problem is you have to have a sunny day and a bit of distance.
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Old 17-12-2006, 03:25 PM
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Yeah. Have thought about it Andrew.

I'll stick with my original post. No more alternate suggestions thanks folks, as helpful as they may be.

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Old 22-12-2006, 01:20 AM
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Looks like a reasonably easy gadget to make. Should be possible to build one inside a DSE 2xAA switched battery pack using a bright white LED and a pinhole in Alfoil. I've built a rough and ready prototype: looks good but it's a bit late to test it on a scope tonight. More later.

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Old 22-12-2006, 07:34 AM
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most people use a silver christmas tree ball and catch the reflected image of the sun .
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Old 22-12-2006, 09:56 AM
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Guys.

Please! As previously stated and as helpful as they may be, no more DIY suggestions.

Could I please ask that any more posts in this thread be confined to the actual item For Sale listed in the original post.

Please.

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Old 22-12-2006, 07:08 PM
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I've built two prototypes today. They look good. Yet to test, but if they work, you're welcome to one of them. Cost would be about $20 inc postage. But it needs to work

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Old 22-12-2006, 07:17 PM
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Sounds very promising DN

Put me down for one .... if it works

Are you making the brightness variable? Will there be a variety of distances the unit works over?

All in the testing, I s'pose
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Old 22-12-2006, 08:28 PM
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It's a basic star. Nice and compact (size of a TicTac box) but no brightness control, just an on/off switch. The source size is about 0.1mm. Uses 2x AA batteries and a white 5000mcd high brightness LED. Will report back on how/if it wortks.

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Old 22-12-2006, 11:25 PM
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Tested with a 60mm Unitron refractor tonight. It shows classical diffraction patterns (inside/at/outsude focus) when viewed in the dark at a distance of 48 feet (indoors). I don't have an SCT, and my 12" LB Newtonian is not easy to get into position to test indoors - will work that one out tomorrow.

So far so good, though I don't think it's bright enough to use in during the day.

Dimensions 7cm x 3cm x 2cm

See the two prototypes, below.

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Old 23-12-2006, 07:21 AM
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Moved it to DIY forum - matt if you object let me know.
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Old 23-12-2006, 01:06 PM
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Nope. Is fine to put it wherever you think is appropriate Mike

Looking good DN.

You're welcome to test the unit/s on my 9.25 anytime that suits, if you like?
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maybe have a 1/4" 20TPI nut on bottom so you can attach to a tripod?
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Old 23-12-2006, 01:19 PM
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What would it take for the unit to be effective during the day too?

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Old 23-12-2006, 09:38 PM
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What would it take for the unit to be effective during the day too?
What I've just done. I increased the pinhole size to 0.6mm (the smallest drill bit I had). The pinhole is now made of thin stainless steel, and the hole is perfectly round (as viewed in a 10x magnifier). I couldn't make the previous smaller pinholes consistently round.

The result is a vastly brighter "star", readily visible away from direct sunlight (outside) at 30 metres (I didn't try further but will tomorrow).

Artificial stars serve two purposes. One is to allow a "star test" as described in Harold Suiter's book. The second is collimation. You don't need such a small (or, alternatively, distant) pinhole for collimation. So the gadget as it now stands should be fine for collimation during the day.

For star testing, the apparent angular size determines what size telescope you can use it on. The current pinhole appears as 1 arcsecond at a distance of 124 metres. So star testing is probably not possible (I think) in daytime for a large telescope.

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Old 23-12-2006, 10:13 PM
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maybe have a 1/4" 20TPI nut on bottom so you can attach to a tripod?
Planning that too.

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Old 23-12-2006, 10:14 PM
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You're welcome to test the unit/s on my 9.25 anytime that suits, if you like?
Whereabouts are you, Matt? I'm n Deakin.

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Old 24-12-2006, 09:49 AM
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I'm at Rivett, Dave
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Old 24-12-2006, 10:42 AM
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Matt, see PM I've just sent you.

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Old 24-12-2006, 03:48 PM
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Just got back from picking the unit up from David's (dcnicholls) place.

Nice and compact, and very well made. I was expecting something a lot more "home made", IYKWIM? So, very pleasantly surprised.

Anyway. Nice work, DN.

Can't wait to test it out and let you guys know how it goes

Boy, makes me wish I had any DIY skills or aptitude
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