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Old 01-11-2016, 05:30 PM
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Ok, so between cloud cover, burn off's, and terrible seeing, things are really starting to get out of control in the DIY factory. On a few nights recently where I thought I was going to get some imaging done, the winds bought with them all the smoke for a DFES burn off.

Disgruntled and bored, I found my self looking at my coolbox thinking of ways of making the cool down faster and the base temperature cooler, and more consistent. The rather obvious answer to that was add more amps, and with a few more trips to Jaycar and PLE had the job done. Due to the glut of 12V amps required to drive the twin 68W TEC's, I have hacked an old ATX2 PC power supply which gives me 2 x 12amp channels of nice clean juice. This also keeps my mount and camera power supplies clean from the PWM rubbish that tends to invade the the circuits of anything else attached to them.

Will test out with the camera running a normal session when the opportunity arises and will decide then on what the control parameters will be. At this stage it will most likely be a relay switching between duty and lag for each of the TEC's, with the lag TEC getting some PWM to maintain the target base temp, I hope at this stage to be able to maintain the camera body between 0 and -1 degrees on any given night. It can achieve -5.5 degree camera body temperature within 45 mins of startup. The single TEC version I was running could only achive a 5-6 degree body temp after 2 hours, and that rose steadily during the imaging session as the camera worked harder.

The box itself is a near enough copy of the Gary Honis job, I just added twin 68W TEC's ($23) (both fan assisted) and some cheap low profile 130 W CPU coolers ($34). Power supply is from the junk pile and takes about 10 mins to modify. Moisture control is lots and lots of silica gel. Cheap coldness!!

Yes...The cold finger mod isn't going well.....99, 99, 99, 99, 99 and so on...
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Old 01-11-2016, 06:32 PM
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Hi George, Google :- Banggood - bring up "Electronics", and scroll thru.They are selling "12v 6a semiconducter refrigerated coolers" for NZ$28 with free shipping !There are all types of models/ sizes etc. It almost doesn,t pay to make your own peltier cooling system at this price! Have a look.Kind regards, Longly, napier NZ.
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:13 AM
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Can't see anything except for Duct tape .... Talk about all wrapped up!
I'd be persisting with the cold finger project. A cool box has very limited effect on sensor temp as you have probably noted. You are using a lot of amps and still not getting stable temps where it matters.
My 450D runs about 1.2 amps and maintains 5* ( ice prevention temp ) within 10 minutes. If I wrapped it up it can achieve -20* within 15 -20 minutes.
A '99' error is a bit of a show stopper though. Is Glen able to assist ? He seems to be the Canon guru for hacking. Normally it is just a connection problem. I had it now and then on the 450D but just had to take a lot of care with the connectors when reassembling.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:46 PM
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Thanks Stewart, familiar with the site and their offerings, but if I just ordered something online, I would still have found myself sitting around twiddling my thumbs! More about keeping busy in poor times really. Not to mention optimizing weight and form factor, those units lot a bit on the fat side.

@Brent, agreed, not the optimum cooling solution by a long shot. I wish I knew what the EXIF temps were doing during a session with this setup (I know not a 'real' gauge, but from past experience if the eixf on lights, darks, bias and flats are all consistent, I produce good images) , but still the crappy Perth conditions are keeping me locked out of the shed. Hopefully in the next night or two I can get out there and log some data. I haven't given up on the cold finger, I just had to put it down for a while, it was really frustrating me. I have been through the thing with a fine tooth comb ensuring everything was ok, and after about 10 images ....99. I will revisit after some time away from it.

Don't worry about the duct tape, it bloody fantastic stuff!! It's been holding my rally car together for years
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Old 03-11-2016, 07:23 PM
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Hahahahaha, I've got a pix of a Rally car in a sideways corner and the front left mudguard is just painted duct tape. You can see all the overlaps. They even replaced the sponsor stickers !!

I had some fun with the 450D conversion as well. The trick seems to be to get the little ribbon connectors nice and square in the board plugs. I used a long thin bamboo skewer with a pointed end to manage them. easy to manipulate them like a pen.
Now it just about falls open when I open it up and clicks back together and carries on like nothing happened !!
The cold finger is very efficient in that setup but if I want to go below about 5* I need some damp control options.

Re sensor temp, BYE only displays processor temp, not CCD. I bought a cheap temp sensor unit ( ~$14 I think ) on Deal Extreme plus about 5 probes. One is mounted on the cold finger just as it slides between the CCDand board. Seems quite sensitive and accurate. The other probes are for other projects. One sits under the OTA heater to check the dew control. Plug and play ...
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:10 PM
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A '99' error is a bit of a show stopper though. Is Glen able to assist ? He seems to be the Canon guru for hacking. Normally it is just a connection problem. I had it now and then on the 450D but just had to take a lot of care with the connectors when reassembling.
I am hardly a guru when it comes to Canon software and control. Error 99 can be many things, it is a catch all type error when something specific in the system cannot be identified. I have found it is usually a connection related fault (like a ribbon cable not properly seated and locked down), or a sensor comms problem with the processor board. I would check all the ribbon cables first, and make sure they are locked and none of the black locking tabs are broken. If those ribbons cannot be locked in position then nothing will help resolve that other than replacing the board concerned (unless you can find replacement locking bars, which I never could).

Good luck.
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