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Old 05-07-2016, 11:24 AM
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Triffid

One of the good things about living in the tropics is you are virtually guaranteed cloud free nights for a few months during the dry.

Pity about the heat, humidity and perpetual smoke haze

A very forgiving partner helps, gotta love her, or is it she is glad to get rid of me for a few evenings

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BTW no darks or flats were used with this and the previous post of M8, i managed -25deg
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:03 PM
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That looks really good George, something to proud of. You have good star colour and the nebula is well represented, it would make a good wall poster.

We are washed out in Brissy at the moment, always happens near new moon.

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Old 05-07-2016, 03:39 PM
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Hi George, sorry, not sure if it's the low res crop, but the details look kinda mushy on the neb, especially where those dark lanes & the jet are blurry.

Also the blue seems to be very dominant, not sure why that is but it's affecting the emission section.

I've attached one I did a couple of years ago with my old OSC.
Excuse the dodgy elongated stars and it's a bit rough compared to your nice smooth one, but hopefully you can see what I mean and maybe have another look at the processing.
I think there's a nice image in that data set of yours
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Old 05-07-2016, 04:13 PM
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Hi George,

Ok firstly, stop the bragging about the clear weather ok, we southerners are currently severely depressed during winter, hearing your wonton gloating just makes us more depressed

Seriously though, this is a good effort and I think the colours are indeed pretty close to what they should be. You see, many image processors work the nebula to be very Blue-Red but in reality if we are looking at the physics going on here (I co-authored an article on this with David Malin which appeared in the Sept 07 edition of Sky & Space mag), the Trifid has a lot of dust and molecular cloud associated which not only contributes to the blue reflection due to Raleigh scattering but by mixing also imparts a turquoise-green hue and even white in the area just outside the central dust lanes ..and you have that showing here quite well

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Old 05-07-2016, 04:13 PM
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Andy, your image did not come trough
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Old 05-07-2016, 04:17 PM
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I like it.

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Old 05-07-2016, 04:26 PM
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Hi George,

Ok firstly, stop the bragging about the clear weather ok, we southerners are currently severely depressed during winter, hearing your wonton gloating just makes us more depressed

Seriously though, this is a good effort and I think the colours are indeed pretty close to what they should be. You see, many image processors work the nebula to be very Blue-Red but in reality if we are looking at the physics going on here (I co-authored an article on this with David Malin which appeared in the Sept 07 edition of Sky & Space mag), the Trifid has a lot of dust and molecular cloud associated which not only contributes to the blue reflection due to Raleigh scattering but by mixing also imparts a turquoise-green hue and even white in the area just outside the central dust lanes ..and you have that showing here quite well

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Thanks Mike, the wontons are good up here too but come Sept/Oct everything gets put away, the chances of a clear night is minimal.
Thanks for your comments, i tried to find the article but could not, is there a copy anywhere
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, i tried to find the article but could not, is there a copy anywhere
Well, after writing that to you I went to get the mag issue from my shelf of mags with stuff of mine published in it and couldn't find it..then I looked on all my hard drives for the original article and couldn't find that either ..dang, I'll ask on the general forum and see if anyone has that issue?

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Well, after writing that to you I went to get the mag issue from my shelf of mags with stuff of mine published in it and couldn't find it..then I looked on all my hard drives for the original article and couldn't find that either ..dang, I'll ask on the general forum and see if anyone has that issue?

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Here you go George, courtesy of IIS member Mark Hillen, who scanned the article and emailed it to me, I have placed it in my Trifid Nebula album

Please note the colour and depth reproduction in the magazine wasn't great originally and then it has been further degraded in the scanning process...but the words at least, are unaltered

I wrote the article and then David Malin proof read it, made some minor suggestions and voila!

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Here you go George, courtesy of IIS member Mark Hillen, who scanned the article and emailed it to me, I have placed it in my Trifid Nebula album



Mike
Thanks Mike and Mark, i'm still unsure of how it supposed to look so i will try a repro to see if i get any changes. I do seem to have more of the blue reflection area surrounding the Ha and Hb than yours and other images. Also i might take some Ha images and blend it with the red
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OK, a repro, this seems to conform a bit more.
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Looks much nicer than the previous one on my iphone George!
Great work
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OK, a repro, this seems to conform a bit more.
Looks good George

Not so much about conforming as such, just kinda making the colours make sense from the physics I guess? In the end there ain't no hard and fast rules in this crazy game we call astroimaging and plenty of Trifids look good with varying degrees of colour license, heck, look at narrowband imaging can have plenty of fun there

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Old 06-07-2016, 06:32 PM
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Not so much about conforming as such, just kinda making the colours make sense from the physics I guess? In the end there ain't no hard and fast rules in this crazy game we call astroimaging and plenty of Trifids look good with varying degrees of colour license, heck, look at narrowband imaging can have plenty of fun there

Mike
Thanks Mike, i am very impressed and in some ways, humbled, with the images that some of the more artistic minded imagers produce esp narrowband, but i think the physics is beginning to be where i want to be. I'm 65 and about to retire but its time for further study.

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Looks much nicer than the previous one on my iphone George!
Thanks Andy, i really appreciate your help
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Old 07-07-2016, 04:41 PM
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All good Geroge, here's a nice one on Astrobin for your reference.
http://www.astrobin.com/full/253647/0/
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