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Old 22-01-2015, 11:35 AM
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Oversized tube for 10" Newtonian OTA

Hi,

I'm getting a 10" f/6 primary mirror and need some advice on how to quickly get/build a structure around it.

One option is to use the GSO 12" f/5 tube and modify the mirror cell for the 10" mirror. Can't use their 10" tube as they're f/5 instead of f/6.

Did some calculations with Newt and this seems to be a viable option (attached pics).

Other than the extra bulk, what are the disadvantages of going this route?

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Arief
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Old 22-01-2015, 12:11 PM
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I recently built a 10" f5 imaging newt using carbon fibre strut design and plywood station rings. It is light and performs great. Have a look in the ATM section for my build thread and photos.
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Old 22-01-2015, 11:11 PM
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Thanks Glen. I'm looking for a cheap tube solution at the moment so CF is out of the picture (most of the funds go towards getting the Zambuto mirror).

Do you know any sources for a 12" or 14" OD, 1.5m long aluminium tube?

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Old 23-01-2015, 08:50 AM
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ask around at your local sheet metal shops and get some quotes to roll one up for you,
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Old 23-01-2015, 08:55 AM
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Probably the biggest issue with using the 12" tube is that the focusser will be pushed further off centre possibly requiring a slightly larger secondary mirror. That and the slight weight and diameter increase.
If it's a temporary situation till bigger and better arrive then I'd go ahead. Otherwsie you can still build a truss or Serrurier type OTA with alum tubes and ply. Quite a bit cheaper than carbon etc. Depends on how much effort and time you want to put in.
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Old 23-01-2015, 03:36 PM
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Thanks Roger/Brent for your suggestions. I'll either go with the split-tube design or the Lightbridge-type OTA.
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Old 23-01-2015, 10:23 PM
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Hi Arief,

What is your intention with the scope, photo or visual? If visual, dob mount or eq?

While designs for both photo and visual require a rigid structure, the way you go about designing an OTA is influenced by the mount. Designing an OTA for a dob mount has different requirements to that mounted on an eq mount. Each style of mount subjects the OTA to a different set of forces, and makes different use of the centre of gravity.

There are also subtle differences in the way you set up the optics in a scope for primarily photo as to visual. This even influences the choice of secondary mirror for each, though at f/6 it is touch and go, so you need to make the appropriate calculations to determine this.

Glen came up with a very novel way of building a Newtonian for eq mounting. It is a very rigid design and makes use of ultimately a massive set of poles in a great 'cage' arrangement. By 'massive' I mean their collective rigidity is enormous in the way they have been arranged. For a dob mounted scope, it is would set the centre of gravity too high within the OTA and would need a very high rocker box to mount it. For an eq mounted instrument, this higher centre of gravity is a better suited. Different purposes brings a different set of requirements.
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Old 26-01-2015, 07:35 PM
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Hi Alex, thanks for chipping in.

The scope is for visual only and will be on a dob mount and clamshell ring similar to the one shown in this picture http://astrogoods.com/007a.jpg

I re-ran the newt calculations using a 12" OD tube and a lower profile focuser and I think I can use a smaller 1.83" secondary while still maintaining at least 0.5" 100% illumination diameter.
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Old 26-01-2015, 09:10 PM
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Like this one?
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Old 26-01-2015, 09:49 PM
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Yes! thanks for reserving the mount and the altitude bearings for me, Matt
I just need to get the tube and the clamshell ring now..
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