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Old 16-07-2014, 01:26 AM
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A wide field woose speedy red cat

This image combines data from two optical systems and frames the famous Cats Paw Nebula in Scorpius.

As already discussed, this nebula appears a deep red colour due to significant amounts of intervening dust between us and the nebula.

Although subtle, there was some colour variation present in the RGB data too which I tried to showcase as well

Details of the two data sets can be found under the image:

Wide Field Cats Paw
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Old 16-07-2014, 04:21 AM
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Sweet Image Mike, diggin them blue stars everywhere, really sets off the Red Neb
I no have CC but only a question , in a word - how does two scopes benefit an image - not that i wanta try it
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Old 16-07-2014, 09:11 AM
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Sweet Image Mike, diggin them blue stars everywhere, really sets off the Red Neb
I no have CC but only a question , in a word - how does two scopes benefit an image - not that i wanta try it
Hey cheers Bob.

Even though they have similar focal lengths, The 6" Starfire APO with the big 16803 chip has a much larger field than the AG12 gets with the smaller sony chip in the Starlightxpress. The AG12 data is higher resolution, showing more fine details than the Starfire too due to having a larger aperture, the pixels being smaller and the seeing is better here in Canberra than it was in Newcastle, so the details immediately around the paw pads themselves is increased over what the original Starfire only image showed.

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Old 16-07-2014, 09:19 AM
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Great combination of data Mike!

I have a question too. When adding new data to old do you integrate all individual subs together again or just combine the old master to the new master (or old master to new individual subs) ?
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Great combination of data Mike!

I have a question too. When adding new data to old do you integrate all individual subs together again or just combine the old master to the new master (or old master to new individual subs) ?
Interesting question, I have done both depending on the quality of the data. When integrating higher res data with lower res data the key is to do it in a way that isn't obvious, usually the higher res data stands out and you will see this effect in some Orion region composites for example, the higher res data used for M42 or the Trifid stands out and can make the image look odd not to mention the diffraction spikes that are only in one set of data. So blending finesse is paramount In this case the data resolution difference wasn't huge so getting a natural looking blend was easier and the diffraction spikes present in the AG12 data set are not too obvious

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Old 16-07-2014, 10:50 AM
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I really like this one. Interesting that the FLI camera needs darks where the Sony doesn't.
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Old 16-07-2014, 11:27 AM
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I really like this one.
Glad to hear it

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Interesting that the FLI camera needs darks where the Sony doesn't.
Just different chips, the 16803 is still a fairly clean chip (HERE is a 10min dark at -30C)but is a just little noisier than the Sony, I could probably just dither and median combine with it too but I never tried ...if I put the big Proline back on the AG12 I may try it just to see, of course the big 16803 chip does need flats due to vignetting.

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That's very interesting. There's still a few hot pixels left even at -30C. Goes to show how important cooling is. No wonder my DSLR sensor is horrendous at +30C.
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Very nice result.

How do you compare the performance of the APO against the reflector?
Knowing the cuality of the AP refractors I think it outperforms the AG12 in terms of resolution or am I wrong?

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Mike, it's beautiful image and exemplary processing !!!



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No wonder my DSLR sensor is horrendous at +30C.
@+30 deg these things produce "Picasso-style" images by themselves ...
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Old 16-07-2014, 12:49 PM
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That's very interesting. There's still a few hot pixels left even at -30C. Goes to show how important cooling is. No wonder my DSLR sensor is horrendous at +30C.
Of course that is a 16 Million pixel array... but in comparison the 6 Million pixel H694 has less than half a dozen hot pixels across it's entire surface!!

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Very nice result.

How do you compare the performance of the APO against the reflector?
Knowing the cuality of the AP refractors I think it outperforms the AG12 in terms of resolution or am I wrong?

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I was not expecting it either Geert but after having used both scopes for significant periods now and in mixed conditions across many of the same objects, I can confidently say, yes, the Astrophysics pedigree is indeed top of class but the AG12 even at F3.8 still outperforms it slightly in the overall resolution department, especially under good seeing conditions.

For example

Compare this AG12 image with this AP152 image

or this AP152 image with this AG12 image

The speed with which the AG12 gathers signal is very noticeably better than the Starfire too.

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Mike, it's beautiful image and exemplary processing !!!


@+30 deg these things produce "Picasso-style" images by themselves ...
Cheers Ian, yes cooled CCD's are certainly very handy, especially in summer

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Nice, seamless blend Mike! It does look nice with a bit of space.
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Nice, seamless blend Mike! It does look nice with a bit of space.
Thanks Rick, yes NFW or WFW both have there pluses

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Crafted to your standards Mike, well blended.
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Crafted to your standards Mike, well blended.
Thanks Fred, bit of fun processing

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Great image Mike. The additional hires detail is great. Love that FOV very similar to the 1 degree or so that I get on my 11000M.

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Nicely done, Mike. The blues came through well.
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Hey cheers Bob.

Even though they have similar focal lengths, The 6" Starfire APO with the big 16803 chip has a much larger field than the AG12 gets with the smaller sony chip in the Starlightxpress. The AG12 data is higher resolution, showing more fine details than the Starfire too due to having a larger aperture, the pixels being smaller and the seeing is better here in Canberra than it was in Newcastle, so the details immediately around the paw pads themselves is increased over what the original Starfire only image showed.

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Wow, your explaination is very understandable, what a grouse concept - the best of both views in the one Image. Definately worth the excercise then !!
Thanx for that Mike ...
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Great work Mike, you know how to do. Fantastic colors!
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Hybrid images are a great way to get extra life into an image which you have done here.

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