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Old 14-01-2014, 12:13 AM
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The mighty Eta Carina, viewed five ways

Hi all,

One of my favourite DSO's is Eta Carina. It has so much to offer for all apertures, large and small. It is also one DSO where, if viewed from a dark site, a small aperture can actually show just about as much extensive nebulosity as seen in photographs.

I have recently completed my fifth sketch of Eta Carina. Curiously enough, it is also my first sketch of Eta Carina from a dark site. I have been surprised by the extent of the visible nebulosity, which would be typically seen in deep photos.

I've thought it would be a good opportunity to post all five sketches together. This way a comparison can be made of the effects not only of aperture, but also of urban vs dark skies.

I've placed the sketches in order of aperture from smallest to largest, and noted where each sketch was done. All these sketches, other than the first one done with binos, were done with the added use of an OIII filter.

1, 11X70 binos, from my home in Sydney. The enormous open cluster NGC 3532 is also in the same field of view.

2, 4" f/5 refractor at 17X, from dark site

3, 8" f/4 reflector, at 27X, from my home in Sydney

4, 17.5" reflector, at 57X, from Oval at Randwick Girls' High School

5, 17.5" reflector, at 153X, from my home in Sydney

I hope this series of sketches serves as a good guide to the capabilities of different apertures. I also hope it demonstrates that having a smaller aperture can have its advantages over larger ones too.
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Old 14-01-2014, 03:42 AM
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These are amazing drawings Alexander the last one is especially awesome

Carina Nebula is one of my favourite visual objects as well, I've had some pretty sweet views though my 25x100 Bino's under pristine skies

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Old 14-01-2014, 07:07 AM
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Great drawings, Alex
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Old 14-01-2014, 10:08 AM
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Outstanding Drawings Alex

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You are a master of the art!
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Old 18-01-2014, 09:27 AM
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Congratulations on a superb set of sketches Alex!
I tips me lid to your talent!!

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Old 18-01-2014, 05:04 PM
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Amazing sketches Alex so many talented people on I.I.S. And all willing to share their knowledge and expertise without hesitation.I love this site I have learned so much over the years that I have been a member such great down to earth people sharing their passion for astronomy.

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Old 26-01-2014, 06:28 PM
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Nice sketches Alex. Saw your thread on Cloudy and really like the 4"f5 frac sketch. 5º is a mighty impressive FOV, but I'd love to know how the Skywatcher f5 is at the Field Curvature end of the aberration scale. Can I see a bit of FC in the sketch????
Kinda of wish I still had mine, as I seem to spend more and more time looking through my 70mm f7 frac with its 2.5º FOV…..but I want more
Also like the compare with different size scopes.
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Old 29-01-2014, 09:21 AM
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Brilliant sketches Alex as always. Very interesting to see the differences. Would be great to have one using the big dob from the dark site. I reckon you'd really give the astrophotographers a run for their money!
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Old 29-01-2014, 10:19 AM
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Thank you all for your kind words. What I've really wanted to do with posting these pics is give an idea of how things appear not only through different apertures, but different sky conditions, dark and light polluted. And how a small aperture can actually have a large aperture over a barrel with respects to wide field viewing. Big aperture is all fine and dandy, but a lot is lost because of the narrow view it has on the sky.

I've got scopes that go from 4" through to 17.5". Which is my favourite? ALL of them are! Each is a tool with a different set of capabilities, and are exploited as such. In other words, ANY scope is a better scope than none at all. It just takes a little bit of understanding of what one's scope is best at and making the most of that.

Matt, field curvature I can't say I noticed for sure. It could be there for the following two experiences I've had: First time I used this 4" f/5 refractor and 30mm ES 82deg combination, my eyes were well rested and focusing was easy, so any field curvature wasn't noticed. In fact the image was sharp all the way across from edge to edge! But, when I did the sketch of Eta Carina with this same combination, my eyes were already fatigued (sketch was commenced around 10pm, and after a big day of work and driving two hours to the dark site). I did notice the edges were not as sharp, but then at times even the centre of the FOV also crapped itself, but I've come to understand my eyes and know when they've had it for the day. I bit convoluted my reply, but in short I am not convinced that there is much, if any, field curvature with this scope/EP combination. I've had other EPs in this scope. The best until this Explore Scientific was a Meade S5000 34mm SWA. It did show field curvature that was obvious, but just at the very, very edge, but not objectionable which made this scope/EP still very good to use. I just got greedy with wanting a HUGE TFOV, .
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Old 29-01-2014, 06:31 PM
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I just got greedy with wanting a HUGE TFOV, .
Greed is good!
In this case at least
Thanks Alex very informative for a refractorholic and wide field junkie.
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